Re: Additions to Schema.org

Thank you Hans and Richard, I appreciate it.
I just want to highlight something, There are tons of websites out there
that can use PlaceOfWorship <https://schema.org/PlaceOfWorship>, they might
not be aware of structured data or schema.org as of yet.
As for the ethnic group, I don't see Organization
<https://schema.org/Organization> as a good fit, I will do more research
and will let you know if I find any.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 5:46 AM Richard Wallis <
richard.wallis@dataliberate.com> wrote:

> With reference to Quote.
>
> See https://pending.schema.org/Quotation
>
> ~Richard.
>
> Richard Wallis
> Founder, Data Liberate
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> On 10 August 2018 at 10:40, Hans Polak <info@polak.es> wrote:
>
>> As Dan already wrote, PlaceOfWorship <https://schema.org/PlaceOfWorship>
>> exists in Schema.org.
>>
>> I don't see how adding more vocabulary would improve schema.org...
>> bearing in mind that PlaceOfWorship is used in between 10 and 100 sites.
>>
>> Having said that, Pavly, I think you can find higher level vocabulary
>> that will help you map what you want to achieve. For instance:
>> CreativeWork <https://schema.org/CreativeWork> (subtypes) can be used
>> for songs and for the bible. Similarly, Organization
>> <https://schema.org/Organization> can be a placeholder for ethnic
>> information through the additionalType
>> <https://schema.org/additionalType> property which exists in all things
>> <https://schema.org/Thing>.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Hans
>>
>> On 09/08/18 22:27, Pavly Mikhael wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Martin for this great exposition.
>> I think many of my list can fall into some abstract type, and will use
>> the additionalType URL if I find any.
>> Will let you all know if I struggled finding a fit to any item.
>>
>> Thank you all
>> Pavly Mikhael
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:15 PM Mark Chipman <markchipman@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 1:14 PM Martin Hepp <mfhepp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Official extensions mitigate this only at a code-management level,
>>>> because the definitions are kept in a separate folder, but they still clog
>>>> the main namespace (more or less). External extensions are possible, but
>>>> easily confusing, likely to introduce inconsistencies and redundancies
>>>> (because they do not pass a rigorous core schema.org community review)..
>>>>
>>>> If the aim is more to be able to express more granular data for general
>>>> purposes while providing schema.org for mainstream search engines,
>>>> then an external vocabulary, independent from schema.org (maybe
>>>> adhering to its meta-model), is IMO the best way. An then use multi-typed
>>>> entities to use your additional elements.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> Martin
>>>> -----------------------------------
>>>> martin hepp  http://www.heppnetz.de
>>>> mhepp@computer.org          @mfhepp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On 09 Aug 2018, at 20:59, Mark Chipman <markchipman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I thought stuff like this is why extensions to schema.org exist in
>>>> the first place.  Shouldn't topics like this exist as an extension rather
>>>> than polluting the schema with everything under the sun?  Can someone
>>>> verify this if I'm not mistaken.  Thanks.
>>>> >
>>>> > Mark
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:31 PM Martin Hepp <mfhepp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Hi Pavly, all possible contributors:
>>>> > Thanks for your proposals!
>>>> > I think it is important to explain that the schema.org community is
>>>> generally conservative about adding new elements, because new elements come
>>>> at a cost: They make the vocabulary more difficult to learn, use, and
>>>> manage, and they increase the risk of unintended side-effects, like the
>>>> duplication of alternative elements that are similar to existing ones.
>>>> >
>>>> > As a general guideline, we need more specific subtypes only
>>>> >
>>>> > - if there are, or are likely, applications by major consumers of the
>>>> data that will need the additional specificity, i.e. that will handle
>>>> entity data differently based on the specific type. For instance "Parking
>>>> Lot" and "Amusement Park" as subtypes of "Place" are needed only if e.g.
>>>> Google would display them differently or if they require additional
>>>> properties that will be weird at a more abstract type. But in general, we
>>>> rather put properties one level higher in the type hierarchy rather than
>>>> adding a subtype only for having a proper place for a property. Otherwise,
>>>> it will be perfectly fine to use abstract types like "Place" or even
>>>> "Thing". And then there is always the additionalType property and support
>>>> for multi-typed entities with external vocabularies;
>>>> >
>>>> > - if the distinction can be expected to be easily populated, e.g.
>>>> because it matches database schemas or HTML templates of many sites;
>>>> >
>>>> > AND
>>>> >
>>>> > - if the distinction cannot be easily reconstructed from other data
>>>> sources. For instance, we added a mechanism for EXIF meta-data when we
>>>> added the PropertyValue mechanism:
>>>> >
>>>> >     https://schema.org/exifData
>>>> >
>>>> > This was arguably not really needed, because a search engine parsing
>>>> the image data can also extract the same meta-data therefrom.
>>>> >
>>>> > This is an edge-case, but I hope you get the idea. Other examples are
>>>> pieces of information or meta-data that is readily available from HTTP
>>>> protocol meta-data or the HTML DOM tree. The latter is again arguable,
>>>> because we might want to have elements in schema.org that can be
>>>> reconstructed from HTML, but not from data in other syntaxes.
>>>> >
>>>> > I hope this is helpful.
>>>> >
>>>> > Best wishes
>>>> > Martin Hepp
>>>> >
>>>> > -----------------------------------
>>>> > martin hepp  http://www.heppnetz.de
>>>> > mhepp@computer..org <mhepp@computer.org>          @mfhepp
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > > On 09 Aug 2018, at 19:11, Pavly Mikhael <pavlym@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thanks for getting back to me.
>>>> > > If schema.org can combine with wikidata.org, that would be great.
>>>> > > Meanwhile, I would much appreciate if you guys can add at least the
>>>> following:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > OrthodoxChurch (Wiki refers to this as Eastern Orthodox Church),
>>>> maybe you can name this 'EasternOrthodoxChurch'
>>>> > > OrientalOrthodoxChurch (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q49377),
>>>> which is different from Eastern Orthodox Church
>>>> > > Biography
>>>> > > Excerpt
>>>> > > Quote
>>>> > > Lyric
>>>> > > Song
>>>> > > EthnicGroup
>>>> > > SaintIcon
>>>> > > ChurchRite
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Notes:
>>>> > >       • OrientalOrthodoxChurch will be relevant to our Coptic
>>>> Orthodox Church.
>>>> > >       • The ones in red were not in my original list.
>>>> > > I will be glad to help if you guys need.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thanks again and have a great one!
>>>> > > Pavly Mikhael
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:19 PM Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > That is quite some list! If we went into such detail (and we won't)
>>>> we would be as big as Wikipedia. And in fact Wikipedia have their own
>>>> "knowledge graph" called Wikidata.org that does go into many of these
>>>> details. We are working out ways of combining it with Schema.org.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > That said, you are correct in particular to remind us that
>>>> https://schema.org/PlaceOfWorship.only has dedicated subtypes for a
>>>> few religions. Perhaps an additionalType property with
>>>> https://wikidata.org/wiki/Q2031836  as its value would be a good fit?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Dan
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2018, 08:45 Pavly Mikhael, <pavlym@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > Hello Everyone,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I'm trying to create structured data for our church website and was
>>>> looking for the following vocabulary in schema.org and could not find
>>>> any of them:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Nonprofit (Can be added under Organization)
>>>> > > History
>>>> > > HistoryOfCopticOrthodoxChurchOfAlexandria (Can be added under
>>>> History)
>>>> > > OrientalOrthodox
>>>> > > OrthodoxChurch (Can be added under PlaceOfWorship)
>>>> > > CopticOrthodoxChurchOfAlexandria (Can be added under
>>>> OrientalOrthodox)
>>>> > > Archdiocese
>>>> > > Diocese
>>>> > > Bishopric
>>>> > > Monastery
>>>> > > Monasticism
>>>> > > Seminary
>>>> > > Coptic (Can be added under Language)
>>>> > > Religion
>>>> > > Christianity (Can be added under Religion)
>>>> > > Group
>>>> > > EthnoreligiousGroup (Can be added under Group)
>>>> > > Copts (Can be added under EthnoreligiousGroup)
>>>> > > EthnicGroup
>>>> > > Christian
>>>> > > Icon
>>>> > > SaintIcon (Can be added under Icon)
>>>> > > CanonicalBook (Can be added under Book)
>>>> > > LiturgicalBook (Can be added under Book)
>>>> > > PrayerBook (Can be added under Book)
>>>> > > Bible (Can be added under Book)
>>>> > > BibleBook (Can be added under Bible)
>>>> > > Chapter (Can be added under Bible)
>>>> > > Verse (Can be added under Bible)
>>>> > > Apostle (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > Deacon (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > SubDeacon (Can be added under Deacon)
>>>> > > Reader (Can be added under Deacon)
>>>> > > Chanter (Can be added under Deacon)
>>>> > > Archdeacon (Can be added under Deacon)
>>>> > > Cantor (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > Clergy (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > Priest (Can be added under Clergy)
>>>> > > Hegomen (Can be added under Clergy)
>>>> > > Bishop (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > Metropolitan (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > Pope (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > Layman (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > Monk (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > Nun (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > Saint (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > Martyr (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > ChurchFathers (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > Prophet (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > Prophecy
>>>> > > Biography
>>>> > > Council
>>>> > > Heresy
>>>> > > Faith
>>>> > > Belief
>>>> > > Doctrine
>>>> > > Tradition
>>>> > > Ministry
>>>> > > Missionary (Can be added under Person)
>>>> > > Spiritual
>>>> > > SpiritualBeing
>>>> > > Angel (Can be added under SpiritualBeing)
>>>> > > ArchAngel (Can be added under SpiritualBeing)
>>>> > > ChurchRite
>>>> > > Dogma
>>>> > > ChurchHymn
>>>> > > ChurchChoir
>>>> > > Song
>>>> > > SpiritualSong (Can be added under Song)
>>>> > > Praise (Can be added under Song)
>>>> > > Prayer
>>>> > > Psalm
>>>> > > Fast
>>>> > > Feast
>>>> > > Sacrament
>>>> > > Theology
>>>> > > Liturgy
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Can you please add these if possible.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thanks and have a great one!
>>>> > > Pavly Mikhael
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > - Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Mark
>>>
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