Re: Proposal for defining licenses

How about rights rather than permit?

Ie: you have the right to park in this space for 2 hours.

Right to life, rather than being permitted to do so.

Tim.

On Thu., 24 Aug. 2017, 5:24 pm Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com> wrote:

> There may be scope to expand around http://schema.org/Permit for more
> civic society / egov scenarios.
>
> We have always avoided getting into anything too fancy for online
> permissions/licenses, drm, etc eg that might be mistaken as having a
> robots.txt kind of a role. It would be easy to do more harm than good there.
>
> In particular, just as we don't expect schema.org consumer apps to
> understand medicine even if they do have some hardcoded support for
> medical/health-related terms, similarly with licences, permits etc.
> Consuming apps won't grasp the full legal picture any more than the full
> medical one, and we should be careful not to exaggerate the extent to which
> consumers might understand "permits....".
>
> All that said, can http://schema.org/Permit be used or improved here?
>
> Dan
>
> On 23 Aug 2017 13:36, "Eric Franzon" <eric.franzon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good poi be snts, David. And welcome!
>
>
> I think certifications, licenses, permits, and the like could be housed
> under a single type. However, I don't yet know what that might be. At the
> moment, an Organization or Person can have an "award" (
> http://schema.org/award), but none of these additional types we're
> discussing seems to fit that well.
>
> As I mentioned in my response to Pete, I think that this is probably
> better suited to licenses where there is a desire on the license holder's
> part to make the license transparent and public.
>
> Cheers,
> --Eric
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 2:14 PM, David Pierce <david.dean.pierce@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi! New to the schema.org community and discussions, but I'm excited to
>> learn more about how these discussions work (the implication also being
>> that you should feel free to beat me into shape while I'm unfamiliar with
>> this community's conventions).
>>
>> Thinking about scenarios, I could see this being relevant to
>> Organizations, LocalBusiness, and individual practitioners (dentists,
>> lawyers, etc.). Restaurants are a good example, though it doesn't seem very
>> typical since the legal requirement in the US is usually to have the
>> license on display in the physical premises, but it doesn't seem very
>> conventional or necessary to have it on the website.
>>
>> *However*, "certifications" do seem like something a business may want
>> to advertise on its web site. For example, a business may want to advertise
>> its LEED certification <https://www.usgbc.org/leed>. Skimming through
>> the types, I don't see anything related to a "certificate".
>>
>> I think the common thread is an entity *may* want to document a signal
>> of recognition awarded to it by an authoritative body. It seems like both
>> licenses and certifications fall under both.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 1:05 PM Pete Rivett <pete.rivett@adaptive.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Firstly are we talking about types of license (e.g. California Driving
>>> License) or specific instances (e.g. Pete’s California Driving License with
>>> number NNNN). I’m guessing Eric you have in mind the latter, but not sure
>>> what Schema.org scenarios would need that. I suppose it could be useful
>>> information about a business e.g. whether an Electrician is licensed. Not
>>> sure about driving licenses though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Other things:
>>>
>>>    - Who the license is issued to (Organization/Person)
>>>    - Geography/location (e.g. a driving license is for a particular
>>>    country, a fishing license for a particular area)
>>>    - Terms and conditions
>>>
>>> There may be value in distinguishing who is providing the license (DMV
>>> generally) and who actually issued it (e.g. a specific DMV office or clerk)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would this also apply to:
>>>
>>>    - Passports (could be viewed as a license to travel)
>>>    - software licenses?
>>>    - license to watch HBO or access NY Times paywall on n devices?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete  Rivett (pete.rivett@adaptive.com)
>>>
>>> CTO, Adaptive Inc
>>>
>>> 65 Enterprise, Aliso Viejo, CA 92656
>>>
>>> cell: +1 949 338 3794 <(949)%20338-3794>
>>>
>>> Follow me on Twitter @rivettp or http://twitter.com/rivettp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Eric Franzon [mailto:eric.franzon@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:47 PM
>>> *To:* schema.org Mailing List <public-schemaorg@w3.org>
>>> *Subject:* Proposal for defining licenses
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm thinking that there is a need for license as a property beyond the
>>> current domain and range defined in http://schema.org/license.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Licenses can be held by a Person or Organization to perform a particular
>>> action (hunting, fishing, demonstrating, busking, driving, operating a
>>> particular piece of equipment, operating a business, providing a regulated
>>> service, etc.).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would this be best as a new type (maybe child of CreativeWork?)
>>> leveraging new and existing properties such as:
>>>
>>>    - licenseNumber: (text)
>>>    - licenceType: (text)
>>>    - licenseIssuedBy: (Organization/Person)
>>>    - dateIssued: http://schema.org/dateIssued (Date - currently only
>>>    applies to tickets)
>>>    - expires: http://schema.org/expires (Date - currently on
>>>    CreativeWork)
>>>
>>> I'm just beginning to think on this, but have already run into several
>>> use cases "in the wild" that could benefit from being able to explicitly
>>> state a particular license.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone else see this need?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> --Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *Eric Axel Franzon*
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/EricAxel
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
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