Re: journal article for next call?

On 11/27/13 9:06 AM, Dan Scott wrote:


>
> However, in reviewing the comics proposal and considering these other
> kinds of CreativeWorks that might be contained in a broader sense of
> Periodical, perhaps the proposed Issuance property of "article", which
> has a range of Article and is described as "An article contained in
> this issue" is too specific? I do like the clarity of the current
> proposal for handling most magazine / journal requirements, and am
> wary of trying to satisfy too generic a need, but perhaps "article"
> goes away and we just rely on the Collection "hasPart" property to
> point at the CreativeWorks.

I think the concept of "article" is so strong in some communities (e.g. 
STEM) that it should be kept as a property.

>
>> So we might have been saying the same
>> thing. But I agree that Issuance-sub-Collection doesn't make sense, and I'm
>> not sure that Issuance should have article page numbers, because I see that
>> as a property of the article itself. That said....
>
> I'm standing behind "pagination" as an Issuance-level property,
> because we've seen in a number of examples so far of periodicals that
> have continuing paginations (e.g. issue 1 has pages 1-150, issue 2 has
> pages 151-300, etc), and the journal issues as displayed by the
> publisher and various discovery layers feel that it is important
> enough to include the pagination in the current displays.

I found an example of this, and will add it to the examples page.

  We need
> "pagination" rather than Book's "numberOfPages" because there is no
> way of knowing if the pagination is continuing or not with a plain
> Integer value.


Even "numberOfPages", as I pointed out earlier, is not appropriate for 
library book cataloging. ONIX includes number of pages, but library data 
contains pagination. In the OpenURL schema for journals there are start 
page, end page (for where they are separated and presumably numeric) and 
"pages" for the information as a character string. (I'd love to know the 
stats on usage of those!)

http://alcme.oclc.org/openurl/servlet/OAIHandler/extension?verb=GetMetadata&metadataPrefix=mtx&identifier=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:journal

I presume that the library cataloging treatment of "pagination" is not 
widely used elsewhere.


>
>> Their "Individual comic issue" seems to be an anthology of previously published
>> items, most likely within a series, that might get a series statement in
>> library cataloging.[2] It could be thought of as a collection, but I doubt
>> if anyone will be listing the individual parts.
>
> My interpretation was that Comic Issue was meant to simply model a
> single issue of a 32-page (or whatever) comic book that you would pick
> up at a comic store.
>

Yes, and I don't know where I got my above interpretation -- not enough 
tea this morning, I guess. Which makes "comic issue" either the same as 
a periodical issue, or, if it has a unique title, a monograph in a 
series, in library cataloging terms. By which I mean it could be either. 
So having a separate "comic issue" (since that's how they think of it) 
makes practical sense.

kc

>
>> I think at this point we need a comparative table. I will try to do that.
>> What I think this means, though, is that there will be different views so
>> that periodicity may be used in a variety of ways at different bibliographic
>> "levels." Which would mean that we need to impose little pre-conceived
>> structure on properties like "issue" "volume" etc. so that people can use
>> them as they exist within their own context.
>>
>> I don't know how we engage the comics folks on this, but it could be an
>> interesting conversation.
>
> I've CCed Peter Olson and Henry Andrews, who were part of the
> discussion on public-vocabs back in February 2012. Hopefully they are
> still interested!
>
>>
>> kc
>>
>> p.s. I KNEW that serials would be a headache!
>>
>>
>> [1] http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/PeriodicalsComics
>> [2] I tried to find some examples, but libraries don't carry the flimsy
>> comics, usually, and some seem to be doing funky cataloging of the ones they
>> do buy, expecting that they won't last long. In any case, how libraries
>> catalog comics shouldn't drive too much of our view, IMO.
>
> There are examples like
> http://marvel.com/comics/issue/43271/wolverine_the_x-men_2011_33 -
> which make me think that a property for cover art & variant cover art
> would be a good addition to the comics proposal.
>
>

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