Re: Voting for CreativeWork property names

FWIW, I don't think the hasX pattern is used much (or at all?) in schema.org.

//Ed

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jeff Mixter <jeffmixter@gmail.com> wrote:
> For what it is worth, I think that use of simple object properties (such as
> has and is) work quite well, especially if one intends to use them outside
> the scope of library material.  I have been working on a developing a linked
> data model for VRA (a XML based schema used to catalog visual/cultural
> items) and having the ability to use simple object properties such as has
> and is would be hugely beneficial and help eliminate the need to create tons
> of custom object properties (such as hasPrint, hasPhotograph etc). The
> isInstance/hasInstance, while useful for the library community, might not be
> widely used by people in other fields, even related fields such museums or
> archives.
>
> Jeff Mixter
> 440-773-9079
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Ross Singer <rxs@talis.com> wrote:
>>
>> On May 16, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Alf Eaton <eaton.alf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, ignore my use of "expression" if you like; I just meant that simple
>> names for object properties, that work as either "has x" or "is x of" when
>> read in opposite directions, can make things easier to work with. It could
>> just have easily have been this:
>>
>> <http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/38264520> <http://proposed-schema.org/work>
>> <http://exampleworks.org/work/12345>.
>> <http://exampleworks.org/work/12345> <http://proposed-schema.org/instance>
>> <http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/38264520>.
>>
>> In other words, maybe there's a better term than "instanceOf" which
>> describes the relationship of <http://exampleworks.org/work/12345> to
>> <http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/38264520>. What is
>> <http://exampleworks.org/work/12345>, if not a "Work"?
>>
>>
>> I'm all for this suggestion, assuming that the object will always be a
>> Work.  I got the impression that this was kind of taking the same approach
>> as commonThing [1], where the subjects and objects can be of ambiguous
>> types, but maybe I'm conflating some unrelated threads here.
>>
>> -Ross.
>>
>> 1.
>> http://dilettantes.code4lib.org/blog/2011/11/why-do-we-obsess-over-frbr-entities/
>>
>>
>> Alf
>>
>> On 16 May 2013 23:12, Wallis,Richard <Richard.Wallis@oclc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Alf,
>>>
>>> The approach proposed was shaped by several factors including:
>>>
>>>   *   CreativeWork describes "The most generic kind of creative work,
>>> including books, movies, photographs, software programs, etc."
>>>   *   It is the super type for many specific types such as Map, Painting,
>>> Movie, Book, Sculpture, etc.
>>>   *   Schema.org is a generic vocabulary with a broad consumer community
>>> therefore domain specific terms should be avoided if possible
>>>   *   We have specific guidance that Schema.org will never implement FRBR
>>>
>>> On that last point, your suggestion is leaning in a FRBR direction. I can
>>> hear the follow on "we need  manifestation & item properties"  already.
>>>
>>> Expression also has certain library-ish connotations
>>>
>>> CreativeWork->work I would suggest is a little confusing as to
>>>
>>> The hasInstance / instanceOf pair were proposed as generic and
>>> directional properties.
>>>
>>> Following the vote about the need of 'is', I have some sympathy with the
>>> suggestion of dropping the 'has' making it 'instance / instanceOf'
>>>
>>> ~Richard
>>>
>>> From: Alf Eaton <eaton.alf@gmail.com<mailto:eaton.alf@gmail.com>>
>>> Date: Thursday, 16 May 2013 18:30
>>> To: "public-schemabibex@w3.org<mailto:public-schemabibex@w3.org>"
>>> <public-schemabibex@w3.org<mailto:public-schemabibex@w3.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: Voting for CreativeWork property names
>>> Resent-From:
>>> <public-schemabibex@w3.org<mailto:public-schemabibex@w3.org>>
>>> Resent-Date: Thursday, 16 May 2013 18:30
>>>
>>> On 16 May 2013 17:55, Wallis,Richard
>>> <Richard.Wallis@oclc.org<mailto:Richard.Wallis@oclc.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I have reflected these choices in the proposal page
>>> > <http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/CreativeWork_Relationships>
>>> > If people are happy with the proposal, I suggest that we should add
>>> > some html examples to the turtle and then submit to public-vocabs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Would it be more straightforward to make is/has/of implicit and just use
>>> simple property names that read well in both directions? Like this, for
>>> example:
>>>
>>> <http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/38264520> <http://proposed-schema.org/work>
>>> <http://exampleworks.org/work/12345>.
>>> <http://exampleworks.org/work/12345>
>>> <http://proposed-schema.org/expression>
>>> <http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/38264520>.
>>>
>>> Perhaps this has been proposed and rejected already?
>>>
>>> Alf
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Mixter
> jeffmixter@gmail.com
> 440-773-9079

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