- From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
- Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 07:08:19 -0700
- To: "Young,Jeff (OR)" <jyoung@oclc.org>
- CC: "public-schemabibex@w3.org" <public-schemabibex@w3.org>
Jeff, there is a (very complex) URI for that particular hold, which will be in the html. In my local library's pages I don't see anything that would indicate a place hold service. http://encore.berkeley-public.org/iii/encore/SearchResultsPage,searchResultsComponent.resultComponent.searchBrowseResultBibComponent.requestLinkComponent.requestDialogLinkComponent.sdirect?lang=eng&sp=Sb1578523&sp=ZH4sIAAAAAAAAAFvzloG1rojBODk%2FVy8zM1MvIz8npSi1sDS1uETPMam4pCgxucQDKBYEEVOB0iGVBakMUCDEwFBRxMCXlViWqJeTmJeu55pXmossWVDCwB7k6h7q4xgEAImPhxFvAAAA&suite=pearl I also wonder whether we should include something for "due date" or if this becomes the content of the availability property. I think it is the latter, so it would be: Central Library Mystery Hillerman, T DUE 07-26-13 availableAtorFrom: Central Library Mystery sku: Hillerman, T outOfStock: DUE 07-26-13 kc On 7/11/13 5:46 PM, Young,Jeff (OR) wrote: > Also, it occurs to me that the http URI of the library's "place hold" > service for a manifestation could be used as the URI of the schema:Offer > in the markup. In Dan's mockup these are blank nodes anyway, so this > would kill two birds with one stone. > > Jeff > > Sent via a cracked screen :-( > > On Jul 11, 2013, at 8:25 PM, "Young,Jeff (OR)" <jyoung@oclc.org > <mailto:jyoung@oclc.org>> wrote: > >> Good Relations has a http://purl.org/goodrelations/v1#LeaseOut term >> that can be used in combination with the schema:businessFunction >> property on schema:Offer. Our case is kind of like that. Perhaps we >> could get Martin Hepp to add "#LibraryLoan to his GoodRelations >> vocabulary and >> tackle it from that direction. >> >> Jeff >> >> Sent via a cracked screen :-( >> >> On Jul 11, 2013, at 8:11 PM, "Karen Coyle" <kcoyle@kcoyle.net >> <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>> wrote: >> >>> Dan, thanks so much for this. I think we need to extend your >>> experiment to some other holdings displays (ebook, periodical). I'm >>> especially curious to see how to handle something like a book that is >>> checked out (OutOfStock) but where the library offers an online >>> 'place hold' service. How can we highlight those services? >>> >>> I'm a bit nervous about linking the ISBN to the item -- the ISBN will >>> be recorded in the schema/Book description, but, as we've argued at >>> length on the BIBFRAME list, library data often has multiple ISBNs >>> but these are not associated with individual copies. In fact, the >>> library may not even have a copy for each ISBN in its bibliographic >>> record. >>> >>> Jeff suggested a while back something about listing the price as $0. >>> I don't think that conveys the concept of lending, even though the >>> price is right. It feels to me that we need something that means >>> "lending" as well as the ability to give the loan period. I don't see >>> anything similar to this in schema.org <http://schema.org> -- maybe >>> I'm missing it? >>> >>> If I get a chance (not until next week, at least) I'll see if I can't >>> mock up some other examples, but of course if anyone else has some >>> time... >>> >>> kc >>> >>> On 7/9/13 11:38 AM, Dan Scott wrote: >>>> Hi Jeff et al: >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org >>>> <mailto:jyoung@oclc.org>> wrote: >>>>> Dan, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for volunteering to experiment with schema:Product/Offer for >>>>> holdings in your system. The attached UML might help illustrate how >>>>> some of the Schema.org <http://Schema.org> terms fit together. >>>>> There are at least a couple ways to traverse their model to >>>>> accomplish it, depending on how expressive you want to be. I look >>>>> forward to comparing notes. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for the UML model. I opted to start with schema.org/Offer >>>> <http://schema.org/Offer> and >>>> map the Evergreen library system's public holdings display (physical >>>> and electronic) using only existing schema.org <http://schema.org> >>>> properties. As it turns >>>> out, ProductModel / IndividualProduct / SomeProducts / >>>> QuantitativeValue don't seem to be necessary if you're simply >>>> modelling holdings as they surface in many library systems today. >>>> >>>> Some of the real-world characteristics that came into play with >>>> Evergreen's sample data (reinforcing many of the examples that Karen >>>> provided at http://kcoyle.net/holdings.html) are: >>>> >>>> * Multiple copies may be displayed for any given record. I mapped each >>>> copy to a separate http://schema.org/Offer object. Also, I opted to >>>> use the additionalType of "Product" instead of "IndividualProduct", as >>>> IndividualProduct is defined as "A single, identifiable product >>>> instance (e.g. a laptop with a particular serial number)." >>>> * Each copy has a library at which it is currently circulating. I >>>> mapped this to the http://schema.org/Offer "seller" property (just >>>> using the raw text of the library name as a reasonable starting point; >>>> a future development could be for Evergreen to expose one URI per >>>> library, from which the library coordinates, opening hours, contact >>>> information, branch hierarchy, etc could be derived -- as Evergreen >>>> already knows most of that information). >>>> * Each copy has a call number. I mapped this to the >>>> http://schema.org/Offer "sku" (stock keeping unit) property, as "a >>>> merchant-specific identifier for a product or service" seems like a >>>> good enough match. >>>> * Each copy has a barcode. I mapped this to the >>>> http://schema.org/Offer "serialNumber" property. >>>> * Each copy has a shelving location. I mapped this to the >>>> http://schema.org/Offer "availableAtOrFrom" property (just using the >>>> raw text of the location as a http://schema.org/Place as a reasonable >>>> starting point). >>>> * Each copy has an availability status, which I was able to map to the >>>> http://schema.org/Offer "availability" property. In turn, I was able >>>> to use the stock http://schema.org/ItemAvailability enumeration >>>> without torturing definitions much. For example, "Available" = >>>> http://schema.org/InStock, "Checked Out" = >>>> http://schema.org/OutOfStock, "On Order" = http://schema.org/PreOrder, >>>> "On Reserve" = http://schema.org/InStoreOnly. >>>> * Records _might_ have an ISBN13; if they do, then I map those to the >>>> http://schema.org/Offer "gtin13" property for each copy. In >>>> retrospect, given that we have the addtionalType of >>>> http://schema.org/Product, I could just define that at the Product >>>> level... an optimization for next time! I could also get fancier and >>>> convert ISBN10 identifiers to gtin13 if we don't have an ISBN13. >>>> >>>> * Holdings often list electronic resources, as well. If so, I map them >>>> to a http://schema.org/Offer and make the >>>> http://schema.org/ItemAvailability enumeration using >>>> http://schema.org/OnlineOnly. There is some potential for using the >>>> http://schema.org/Offer eligibleCustomerType property to identify >>>> whether a given electronic resource is publicly available, or >>>> restricted to library patrons (or a particular subset of library >>>> patrons) via proxy access or the like. >>>> >>>> * The Evergreen record display also includes one or more summary >>>> statements about copy availability, reflecting each level of a >>>> consortium / system / branch hierarchy. For example, if you're >>>> searching at Branch 1, the display might say "36 copies available at >>>> Consortium; 15 copies available at Branch 1". I mapped these >>>> statements to simple http://schema.org/AggregateOffer objects using >>>> just the "seller" and "offerCount" properties. >>>> >>>> Thus far, I'm pretty happy with the results. You can see an example at >>>> http://stuff.coffeecode.net/schema.org/holdings_ex1.html and Google's >>>> Rich Snippets Tool appears to be happy with it (at >>>> http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?q=stuff.coffeecode.net%2Fschema.org%2Fholdings_ex1.html). >>>> I did strip out much of the unnecessary fluff from the example, but it >>>> originates from an Evergreen working branch at >>>> http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/user/dbs/schema_holdings >>>> so all of this would work in the wild today for Evergreen libraries >>>> eager to expose their holdings via schema.org <http://schema.org> >>>> microdata. Also, I can >>>> easily grab other samples from my local dev instance of Evergreen if >>>> people are interested, and I can import new records / create new >>>> combinations of holdings, etc, on demand. (This record came from >>>> http://laurentian.concat.ca/eg/opac/record/341237 which only has a >>>> minimal level of schema.org <http://schema.org> microdata). >>>> >>>> I didn't want to muddy the waters in the W3 wiki just yet, given that >>>> we already have a few different pages where holdings are being >>>> explored. Perhaps if this direction seems of interest to the group, we >>>> could work towards formalizing the suggestions for implementers. >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Karen Coyle >>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> http://kcoyle.net >>> ph: 1-510-540-7596 >>> m: 1-510-435-8234 >>> skype: kcoylenet >>> >>> -- Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
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