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Re: CG: Charter Purpose Statement & introductory notes

From: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:24:46 +0000
Message-ID: <CAM1Sok2LGFE8CabnZT9Fc0fTh2CyDCD88U3MYzZ2dPrmkX7Q1A@mail.gmail.com>
To: dimopot@gmail.com
Cc: public-schema-gen@w3.org, Hans Polak <info@polak.es>
I didn't expressly add language translations, etc.

But it's certainly part of the mix.  FWIW, next plan I'm interested in is
likely start with a collaborative spreadsheet to add links we're aware of
with comments and columns.  Then look to update wiki pages.

This one needs to be translated to languages including English :)


On Wed., 15 Feb. 2017, 1:21 am Dmytro Potekhin, <dimopot@gmail.com> wrote:

> +
> In case Ukrainian / Russian language support will be needed - I'll be glad
> to help.
> D
> 2017-02-14 16:13 GMT+02:00 Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>:
> Hi all,
> I wanted to make another call for input to the proposed changes for the
> group description.
> If you were happy with the description, simply reply +1/0/-1 would be
> great. Also importantly, if any big objections need to be considered.
> The Google docs link is below.
> Here's what it looks like now;
> Schema Generator Community Group has been established to improve the
> availability, discovery and innovation of RDFa, Microdata, JSON-LD and
> other structured data related tooling. Schema generation tools pertaining
> to this group aim to ensure output can be validated with W3C.org Schema
> validator or similar tools.
> The group will assist others with discovering existing tools, updating
> online materials to find tools and supporting the development of new tools.
> The goal of this group is to foster the development of the ‘web of data’
> through developer support, community engagement and advocacy. Schema gen CG
> will also assist by incubatee support for works that includes but are not
> limited to support for production of new RDF related tools.
> _----------------_-----------------------
> Tim.h.
> On Tue., 14 Feb. 2017, 12:50 am Timothy Holborn, <
> timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I've had a read of the initial documentation about the inception of the
> group and as discussed elsewhere, i think it's important to ensure we're
> building the CG based on principles rather than a product. (which i'm sure
> was the underlying intent).  I've attached a google doc[2] (please feel
> welcome to request edit access to it, but comments are fine also).  I
> haven't put alot of thought into it yet; however one of my considerations
> is whether we should be sticking to RDF rather than simply XML (including
> of course, rdf/xml).
> schema.org (and OGP http://ogp.me/ ) are amongst the many RDF Ontologies
> that exist on the web, some of which can be found here:
> http://lod-cloud.net/
> One of the most important plugin i've been using recently is:
> http://osds.openlinksw.com/  - which helps people see the 'web of data'.
> Herein; some important distinctions exist between "linked data" (or RDF)
> which is part of the semantic web stack; and XML.  I propose we focus on
> schema tools for RDF[3] which includes a bunch of serialization formats[4].
> One of the 'to do items' will be to update existing wiki pages that
> currently has outdated references on them.  I've found it quite difficult
> to find useful tools and have certainly found this part of the frustration
> when people in senior positions tell me that they were unaware the
> 'semantic web' was relevent nowadays.  I think if we're able to help with
> accessibility and descriptions / discovery for tooling; we'll both be able
> to improve opportunities and circumstances in a number of different ways.
> ie: pages to be updated;
> - https://www.w3.org/wiki/SemanticWebTools
> - https://www.w3.org/wiki/Ontology_editors (to a lesser degree).
> Really quickly; with respect to other tools,
> - http://linda.epu.ntua.gr/ which relates to https://github.com/LinDA
> -tools
> - http://protege.stanford.edu/
> - http://json-ld.org/playground/
> - https://search.google.com/structured-data/testing-tool
> Other examples include word press ones like:
> https://wordpress.org/plugins/lh-tools/ &
> https://wordpress.org/plugins/lh-rdf/
> We likely need to make a list of tools, the language / purpose of the
> tools, etc.
> Do we want to have regular Tele Conf / IRC meetings?  I have found in the
> Web Payments / Credentials teams meetings have in-turn forced people to
> keep a schedule.  If interest exists, let us know and we'll see what we can
> do.  In many cases, services like Gitter can also offer an alternative that
> may work better for people world-wide in different timezones.  Implication
> is that we'll need to think about a github location, which i think is very
> doable.
> The group was instigated by Hans Polak[5] who was inspired by his own
> project.  IMHO, we should figure out how to publish ideas on different
> levels to help forge the means for these sorts of projects to get
> under-way.  We may find other W3 opportunities as we do these tasks; and i
> for one,
> I am pleased this group has been created. The amount of frustration and
> time it takes, even with some rather incredible support from W3 experts in
> past; to both find the tools, figure out the flaws, opportunities and
> benefits of tools; and indeed, educate others about them.
> I hope in future, It'll become far easier as we're simply able to flick
> links whilst encouraging more and more people, to get involved with the
> linguistics of ontology, schemas and www service support & design.
> If we can get onto resolving the attached summary about the formation of
> the CG, i'm happy to follow-up with the W3 contact and get the page
> modified.
> Any questions, ever, please do not hesitate to get in touch with me
> directly.
> Timothy Holborn
> skype: sailing_digital
> [1] https://www.w3.org/community/schema-gen/
> [2]
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-ukwFmcdGs6SwfaMz2RrfFQvG6o2PD8NfFreDAbri-A/edit?usp=sharing
> [3] https://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
> [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework
> [5] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-schemaorg/2017Feb/
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