- From: Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>
- Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 10:56:17 +0000
- To: Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>
- Cc: Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com>, public-schema-course-extend@w3.org
- Message-ID: <CAD47Kz4W1X6Z7y4KbKd2gKL450j7vTDiiy7Bf1JT6T-gqYojWg@mail.gmail.com>
The proposed External Enumerations Issue (#894 <https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/894>) - Pull request (#924 <https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/pull/924>) - may help with describing a set of values for courseMode. The key question being where, reliable and hopefully authoritative, would these be hosted? And yes you are right, many will probably just provide a text value. ~Richard On 4 March 2016 at 10:47, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk> wrote: > > I'ld like to go further than URIs and have the URIs resolve to some useful > information (e.g. in SKOS), and I would like to be able to use Richards > proposed EnumerationValue [1]. This would allow us to provide a meaningful > URL and a textual value as a name. > > I suspect that the list of courseModes is finite but longer than the list > we have at the moment. I also suspect that people will want to use local > values as well as the core 'required' set. Finally I suspect that whatever > we specify many people will just provide a text value. > > Going beyond a list of suggested text values may require some effort and > discussion. There is a wiki page for how to specify mode of study or > delivery, I invite anyone interested to edit it to provide definitions and > add any values that may be missing. We can discuss any issues in this > thread. > > Phil > > 1. https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/894 > > > On 03/03/2016 21:50, Richard Wallis wrote: > > I agree it would be good to use URIs to add some consistency. > > Potentially we could define an Enumeration set for these - online, > face-to-face, MOOC, distance learning, part-time, full-time - That is if that > that is the finite list. Alternatively if those values are already defined > somewhere with canonical URIs we could recommend their use and show them in > examples. > > As to ‘requiring’ them, that is probably to constraining for Schema.org. > > ~Richard. > > Richard Wallis > Founder, Data Liberate > http://dataliberate.com > Linkedin: <http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis > > Twitter: @rjw > > > On 3 March 2016 at 18:54, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'll be the person to suggest that we should require URIs here. >> >> There will probably be translations (rdfs:label@en in MediaWiki RDFa?), >> so I think consistent URIs would be preferable. (because i believe Text >> fields to be less likely to work consistently with faceting) >> On Mar 3, 2016 11:14 AM, "Phil Barker" <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I have modified the wiki page for this to reflect the >>> Course/CourseInstance naming >>> >>> https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Mode_of_study_or_delivery >>> >>> There is a requirement to be able to identify the mode of study which >>>> arises from the use case 1.6 (2.6, 9.6) "where the searcher is concerned >>>> about the means of delivery, e.g. wants to take a MOOC, wants to study at >>>> home by distance learning, study online, study face-to-face." >>>> >>> So: >>> >>>> >>>> *courseMode*, a property of CourseInstance with expected type: text >>>> >>>> definition: The medium or means of delivery of the course, or the mode >>>> of study. >>>> >>>> Suggested values: online, face-to-face, MOOC, distance learning, >>>> part-time, full-time >>>> >>>> >>> Any objections? >>> >>> I think there are some terms in CEDS that we could include as suggested >>> values, see >>> https://ceds.ed.gov/element/001161 (Thanks Jim) >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> On 24/02/2016 14:58, Phil Barker wrote: >>> >>>> I hope this is a fairly straightforward use case requirement to deal >>>> with. >>>> >>>> There is a requirement to be able to identify the mode of study which >>>> arises from the use case 1.6 (2.6, 9.6) "where the searcher is concerned >>>> about the means of delivery, e.g. wants to take a MOOC, wants to study at >>>> home by distance learning, study online, study face-to-face." >>>> >>>> Currently the closest property in the proposal is the isVirtual >>>> indicator, which I think there was agreement needed broadening. >>>> >>>> It is often difficult to separate mode of study from mode of course >>>> delivery, e.g. a course is delivered online for students who study online. >>>> >>>> Sometimes though there is a form of course delivery that really needs >>>> to be highlighted. I think that MOOCs are an example of this. We want >>>> people to be able to identify courses delivered as MOOCs directly, without >>>> faffing around with a combination of cost, enrolment requirements and being >>>> online. >>>> >>>> How about: >>>> courseMode a property of CourseOffering >>>> definition: the medium of means of delivery of the course or the mode >>>> of study. A CourseOffering may be a blend of different modes, e.g. >>>> face-to-face and online. >>>> expected type: text (*) >>>> Suggested values: online, face-to-face, MOOC, distance learning, >>>> part-time, full-time >>>> >>>> (* this is a prime candidate for external enumerations with the >>>> suggested values as a default enumeration) >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Phil Barker @philbarker >>> LRMI, Cetis, ICBL http://people.pjjk.net/phil >>> Heriot-Watt University >>> >>> Workflow: http://www.icbl.hw.ac.uk/~philb/workflow/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- We invite research leaders and ambitious early career researchers >>> to join us in leading and driving research in key inter-disciplinary >>> themes. Please see www.hw.ac.uk/researchleaders for further information >>> and how >>> to apply. >>> >>> Heriot-Watt University is a Scottish charity >>> registered under charity number SC000278. >>> >>> >>> > > -- > Phil Barker @philbarker > LRMI, Cetis, ICBL http://people.pjjk.net/phil > Heriot-Watt University > > Workflow: http://www.icbl.hw.ac.uk/~philb/workflow/ > > > > > We invite research leaders and ambitious early career researchers to join > us in leading and driving research in key inter-disciplinary themes. Please > see www.hw.ac.uk/researchleaders for further information and how to > apply. > > Heriot-Watt University is a Scottish charity registered under charity > number SC000278. >
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