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Re: How the father of the World Wide Web plans to reclaim it from Facebook and Google

From: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 13:57:47 +0000
Message-ID: <CAM1Sok3VBm8V9CDWNY1N0pKAZWXCmGQKsLkjmHXHQLH+3brF3w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>, business-of-linked-data-bold <business-of-linked-data-bold@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "public-rww@w3.org" <public-rww@w3.org>
 meh.

in my involvement i have not known an era where Kingsley has not been using
Openlink nor has not been providing feedback.

IMHO; compatibility between OpenLink and SoLiD has existed longer than the
concept of SoLiD.

Yet; i can see an array of areas to support OpenLinkSW in enhancing their
footprint worldwide.

Tim.H.

On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 at 23:10 Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 24 August 2016 at 13:55, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/24/16 3:52 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24 August 2016 at 04:17, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/23/16 6:56 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 August 2016 at 00:28, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/23/16 5:36 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>>
>>>> yes, i was able to create a file, nice!
>>>>
>>>> On 23 August 2016 at 20:43, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/23/16 2:25 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 22 August 2016 at 14:49, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/22/16 4:34 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kingsley,ÂÂ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of the interesting open data related platforms plug into
>>>>>> Virtuoso.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They support open standards. Virtuoso supports open standards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you need to step it up a bit, and am happy to help, but am
>>>>>> unsure of the best way to go about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am totally unsure of what Virtuoso has to add to this matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If SoLiD is Virtuoso compatible, I think the answer is bit of a
>>>>>> no-brainer.  Question remains one of business systems, rather than
>>>>>> exclusively Tech.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Virtuoso supports all the open standards covered by SoLiD, and some
>>>>>> (e.g., WebID+TLS+Delegation).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to speak clearly about these issues otherwise we have nothing
>>>>>> but confusion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What will be really amazing is when Solid apps are tested to run on an
>>>>> openlink backend and vice versa.
>>>>> ÂÂ
>>>>>
>>>>> Melvin,
>>>>>
>>>>> So why don't I share a folder endpoint [1] and the you try to use
>>>>> SoLiD to create a document in that folder? Naturally, I would need to grant
>>>>> access to you via your WebID (which I assume to be:
>>>>> https://melvincarvalho.com/#me) .
>>>>>
>>>>> Links:
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://kingsley.idehen.net/DAV/home/kidehen/Public/solid/
>>>>> [2] https://kingsley.idehen.net/DAV/home/kidehen/Public/solid/
>>>>> [3] http://kingsley.idehen.net/DAV/home/kidehen/Public/solid%2Cacl --
>>>>> ACL doc (your webid has access to this too!)
>>>>> [4] https://linkeddata.uriburner.com/rdf-editor -- Editor that can be
>>>>> used to compare experience re. creation of document in the sample/qa
>>>>> folder.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kingsley Idehen	
>>>>> Founder & CEO
>>>>> OpenLink Software   (Home Page: http://www.openlinksw.com)
>>>>>
>>>>> Medium Blog: https://medium.com/@kidehen
>>>>> Blogspot Blog: http://kidehen.blogspot.com
>>>>> Twitter Profile: https://twitter.com/kidehen
>>>>> Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about
>>>>> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
>>>>> Personal WebID: http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this
>>>>>
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>>>> Melvin,
>>>>
>>>> Does that imply things are fine re. SoLiD or not?
>>>>
>>> One test is passing at least, which is a good sign!
>>> I think to say things are 'fine' we really need to develop a test suite
>>> and run tests.  There may be other ways, but that seems to be tried and
>>> tested.
>>>
>>> Melvin,
>>>
>>> I am trying to avoid "OpenLink doesn't support SoLiD" cycles that keep
>>> on reoccurring.
>>>
>> Got it.  But it requires testing and possibly some bug fixing.Â
>> Â
>>
>>> If there is a pattern that fails it should be identified and
>>> demonstrated.
>>>
>> This is where a test suite comes in handy.  W3C working groups typically
>> require 1-3 years for this.  I think we need a similar process. There may
>> be short cuts but it would normally require one dedicated tester.
>>
>> W3C process != Practical Commercial process.
>>
>> Having worked on interop for more than 20+ years re., standards like SQL,
>> ODBC, JDBC, ADO.NET, HTTP, and others, the process has more to do with
>> willingness to collaborate than anything else.
>>
>> Given a server application (server) that implements standard X, there
>> should be N number of client application (client) users willing enough to
>> test interop as part of a practical QA process. Right now, the big issue is
>> that interop gets scoped to the wrong levels.
>>
> Presently I see people testing Solid against node-solid-server and gold.
> Previously I have seen testing against LDPHP.  I've only seen you and
> sometimes me test against an openlink back end and that's when we have a
> bit of time free.
>
>
>> What do I mean by "wrong levels" ? The fact that this kind of testing
>> gets lost in presumptive patterns rife with compilation and platform
>> dependencies e.g., open source and all the modules required to be located
>> and built. After that, testers then find out that they have to right code
>> to perform basic interop.
>>
> I think you mean people do not have the time to work though and fix bugs.
> As it's a new technology inevitably there will be bugs, it needs a lot of
> persistence to work through.  Openlink is not immune to bugs either, I have
> found and reported some myself.
>
>
>> Interop should simply be about compliant client N talking to compliant
>> server X. That's it. We don't need 6 months to pull that off, let alone 1-3
>> years.
>>
>> I am happy to perform interop with anyone (partner or competitor or
>> customer) using the basic pattern outlined above. The end results are
>> mutually beneficial, as they should be, when working with standards
>> compliance.
>>
> Then just do it!  I still believe the process we are using right now has
> not yielded fast progress, but a working group where people actually commit
> to deliverables does achieve interop.  It's just a question of how much
> time each process takes.  The thing about a WG is that you generally commit
> 1 day a week or as much as 0.5 of a FTE, per company involved.  That's a
> more resource that is currently being employed.
>
>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kingsley Idehen	
>> Founder & CEO
>> OpenLink Software   (Home Page: http://www.openlinksw.com)
>>
>> Medium Blog: https://medium.com/@kidehen
>> Blogspot Blog: http://kidehen.blogspot.com
>> Twitter Profile: https://twitter.com/kidehen
>> Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about
>> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
>> Personal WebID: http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this
>>
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