- From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 20:25:46 +0200
- To: business-of-linked-data-bold <business-of-linked-data-bold@googlegroups.com>
- Cc: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>, public-webid <public-webid@w3.org>, Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>, "public-rww@w3.org" <public-rww@w3.org>
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On 22 August 2016 at 14:49, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote: > On 8/22/16 4:34 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote: > > Kingsley, > > Most of the interesting open data related platforms plug into Virtuoso. > > > They support open standards. Virtuoso supports open standards. > > > I think you need to step it up a bit, and am happy to help, but am unsure > of the best way to go about it. > > > I am totally unsure of what Virtuoso has to add to this matter. > > > If SoLiD is Virtuoso compatible, I think the answer is bit of a > no-brainer. Question remains one of business systems, rather than > exclusively Tech. > > > Virtuoso supports all the open standards covered by SoLiD, and some (e.g., > WebID+TLS+Delegation). > > We need to speak clearly about these issues otherwise we have nothing but > confusion. > What will be really amazing is when Solid apps are tested to run on an openlink backend and vice versa. > > Kingsley > > > I would encourage the development of a forum to aid with the development > of installable solutions that have a "human rights" styled licensed, which > in-turn is something that has been discussed in various forms, but as yet > does not exist. > > Creative commons is a great precident, but isn't fit for purpose. > > Timh. > > > On Sun, 21 Aug 2016, 1:23 AM Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> > wrote: > >> On 8/20/16 12:39 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote: >> >> >>> In this example, multiple occupants are the point. A car has a single >>> driver. Of course, it may have many passengers where each person has their >>> own identity card (license, passport, or something else). >>> >>> My simple example: >>> >>> A Car is like your Browser (a Software Agent). It has a registration >>> number. >>> >>> You are identified by your Driver's License. >>> >>> I've you skip toll payment, authorities triangulate back to you via your >>> car registration. Even if they have a photo of you, the toll matter boils >>> down to triangulation from the vehicle to its driver. >>> >>> When you reach you destination, other forms of identity become relevant >>> e.g., use of your Driver's License as proof of age in a pub. Basically, the >>> critical credential in this context. >>> >> >> Another use-case that may provide additional 'human centric' support via >> inferencing; might be along the lines of, >> >> - A Friend / Family Member / Employee has use of your vehicle at some >> dateTime. >> - The Vehicle is caught speeding. >> - A lawEnforcementFine is issued that may incur driversLicenseDemitPoints >> which in-turn may lead to lossOfLicense >> - Your mobilePhone has GPS records + calendar information (et.al) shows >> that you were elsewhere at the time. >> >> resulting in the ability to produce something like: >> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/11/ >> chatbot-lawyer-beat-parking-fines-helping-homeless-do-not-pay >> >> >> Reasoning and Inference introduce more functionality with our own >> imaginations as the only limiting factor :) >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> ie: if the owner of the vehicle is intoxicated; then another person may >>> be able to drive the vehicle on their behalf, whether or not they've >>> previously been authorised to drive the vehicle - so long as the owner is >>> in the car (and not in the boot) for instance... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Example: >>>> I want to transport some goods from Boston to New York. >>>> The scenario above includes toll booths and a final destination. >>>> >>>> On the highway, my car registration is the identity focal point, with >>>> regards to toll payments. When I reach my destination, my personal identity >>>> card (license or something else) is how I prove I am the delivery person >>>> expected at the final destination. >>>> >>> >>> isn't it simply your face? some sensor identifies something about you, >>> and it's all very low-friction. Question is - where do you store your >>> permissions for how those systems work - or are they your permissions? or >>> something else's permissions about you? >>> >>> >>> In my example I trying to illustrate how a simple highway toll booth >>> system works. One that's oriented towards vehicles driven (or controlled >>> by) a driver . >>> >>> In my example, Car registration is the credential of relevance i.e., >>> what the system is built around. >>> >>> >>>> Another example: I drive my car to a pub. At the pub my personal ID is >>>> what's important. En route to the pub, my Car registration is what's >>>> important. There are two distinct scenarios requiring different kinds of >>>> identity. >>>> >>>> WebID+TLS doesn't have the fidelity required for traversing the >>>> existing highway without asking its current maintainers (Certificate >>>> Authorities and Browser Vendors) to change infrastructure and practices. >>>> >>>> WebID+TLS+Delegation simply adds the "On-Behalf-Of" relationship type >>>> to the mix (i.e., in the data) which distinguishes the user from the >>>> software they use (drive) thereby enabling one toggle WebIDs without >>>> browser restarts (due to TLS requirements) [1]. >>>> >>> >>> IMHO: Credentials add's via HTTP Signed documents containing RDF; the >>> ability to produce another important counterpart to the identity lifecycle >>> mix, but only if humans are active actors in the creation and management >>> process of credentials use. >>> >>> >>> You are an active participant in the creation of your Driver's License >>> :) >>> >> >> Yes. However many RDBMS systems are developed in a manner that can have >> unintended consequences; and more-often than not, it is the vulnerable who >> are most impacted by what is often knownIssues, considered to have >> lowerPriority mostOften dueTo a lackOfStructuredData >> >> :) >> >> Tim.H. >> >> >> SQL RDBMS engines, in basic form, are ill-equipped for this kind of task. >> They lack the semantic fidelity for this situation. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Kingsley Idehen >> Founder & CEO >> OpenLink Software (Home Page: http://www.openlinksw.com) >> >> Medium Blog: https://medium.com/@kidehen >> Blogspot Blog: http://kidehen.blogspot.com >> Twitter Profile: https://twitter.com/kidehen >> Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about >> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen >> Personal WebID: http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this >> >> > > -- > Regards, > > Kingsley Idehen > Founder & CEO > OpenLink Software (Home Page: http://www.openlinksw.com) > > Medium Blog: https://medium.com/@kidehen > Blogspot Blog: http://kidehen.blogspot.com > Twitter Profile: https://twitter.com/kidehen > Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen > Personal WebID: http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Business Of Linked Data (BOLD)" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to business-of-linked-data-bold+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >
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