Re: WebID Simple (was: Archaic HTTP "From:" Header)

On 4 April 2013 14:18, Stéphane Corlosquet <scorlosquet@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
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>> On 4 April 2013 03:32, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
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>>> On 4/3/13 7:01 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:
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>>>> On 04/04/2013, at 4:18 AM, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
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>>>> All,
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>>>>> I think the HTTP "From:" header [1] is now truly archaic circa. 2013.
>>>>> If the range of this particular predicate was a URI it would really aid our
>>>>> quest for a RWW.
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>>>> It's in active use by spiders and robots.
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>>>> Suggestion:
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>>>>> As part of our RWW bootstrap effort, we could consider an "X-From:"
>>>>> header that basically takes a URI or Literal value.
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>>>>> I think we can flesh this out across WebID and RWW via implementations
>>>>> before moving up to TAG and IETF.
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>>>>> Mark: what do you think, anyway ? :-)
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>>>> If you want something that takes a link, we have a Link header.
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>>>> Whatever you do, don't prefix it with X-.
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>>>> Mark Nottingham   http://www.mnot.net/
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>>> Okay re. not taking the X- route.
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>>> With regards to "From:" I am saying it should accept literals or URIs
>>> instead of just literals. Net effect, I can then use:
>>> kidehen@openlinksw.com or <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com**> or <
>>> http://kingsley.idehen.net/**dataspace/person/kidehen#this<http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this>>
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>>> "Link:" is also a good idea, I'll maul this over as it could also work
>>> from the desired bootstrap perspective.
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>> In fact we could call this "WebID Simple" perhaps?
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> I'm trying to picture what kind of identifiers you are advocating to use
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The WebID simple I guess would be aligned with definition in the WebID
Identity spec

The from header would take any URI or literal

So you are not limited


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> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>wrote:
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>> By now we have broken WebID down into 3 cleanly separate concerns.
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>> 1. Identifiction
>> 2. Authentication
>> 3. Authorization
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>> (1) is really a great unsolved problem on the web still
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>> The WedID+TLS spec has a neat way of solving BOTH (1) by putting one or
>> more URIs in the v3 subjectAltName and also (2) via PKI
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>> It seems we have a good solution to part (1) using the "From" header
>> which has been around for quite a while.
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>> This topic has come up a few times in the past 3 years, maybe it's time
>> to make it into an offical spec.
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>> I know we're getting into branding territory, which can be thorny, but
>> perhaps the name "WebID Simple" would suffice, much like we have "WebID +
>> TLS" ...
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>> Any better names?  Thoughts?
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