- From: Joshue O'Connor <joconnor@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 16:04:48 +0100
- To: "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org>
- Cc: John Paton <John.Paton@rnib.org.uk>, "public-rqtf@w3.org" <public-rqtf@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <bce96426-76b7-0008-bc0c-3a97461ed8b4@w3.org>
Hi John and all, I've looking at your suggestions to divide modalities. Can we discuss this when I get back from holidays? Or please go ahead without me and update me on the groups thinking. I'm a little unsure what you are suggesting, as what you are thinking when you arranged these below. They seem to be a mix of input and outputs.I do agree with what you are saying about potential difficulties enumerating e'thing. So I'd like to get others thoughts and discuss this further, thanks. Josh > > If the document is then divided into modality for inputs and modality > for outputs then it may help. Ie. > > User need > > User has sight loss and so cannot use visual output > > Req > > NLI (Natural Language Interface) Speech output or > > NLI Braille output or > > Alternative communication method (outside scope) > > User need > > User cannot see controls to use them [needs better wording] > > Req > > NLI Speech input or > > Alternative input method (outside scope) > > User need > > Hearing impairment user prefers to read > > Req > > NLI Text output or > > Alternative communication method (outside scope) > > User need > > Hearing impairment user prefers captioned speech > > Req > > NLI Captioned speech output or > > Alternative communication method (outside scope) > > … > > User need > > Deaf sign language user cannot speak to device > > Req > > NLI Sign language input (preferred) or > > NLI Text input or > > Alternative communication method (outside scope) > > etc > > Otherwise almost any combination of X input + y output above is > conceivable and you can get in a tangle trying to enumerate them all. > By labelling the alternative communication methods as being out of > scope we can contain the scope of this document (and maybe usefully > signpost to where users should be looking). This means that if a > natural language interface is being used for the speech but not the > visual interface (such as in a Smart TV) it doesn’t feel like we are > trying to force a natural language interface for the visual I/O if one > doesn’t make sense. Smart televisions could currently implement a > typed command structure similar to Alexa and I suspect that the reason > this doesn’t happen is because it doesn’t make sense in the context > rather than a lack of a11y awareness (and I can’t see that television > accessibility for people with hearing loss has suffered). > > It also frees us up to talk about user needs for sign language natural > language interfaces despite the fact we are likely a long way from > seeing any usable ones. If we have text NLI and “Alternative > communication method” as an option then we can alert the reader that a > sign language option is preferable while still allowing a text or > alternative option until technology catches up. We can then cover > alternative word orders and simplified written language structures for > signers in the text input section. > > We can then handle the user needs for each modality in their own section. > > > Speech input > > User needs include: accents, dialects, speech impediments, etc > > > Speech output > > User needs include: repeat function, etc > > > Text input > > User needs include: textspeak + emojis, spelling, Dyslexia and print > disabilities, Signer being forced to use text etc > > > Text output > > User needs include: large fonts, etc > > > Captioned speech output > > User needs include: synchronisation (signpost to media > synchronisation?),etc > > > Braille Output > > User needs include: contracted vs uncontracted Braille, support for > different sets of contractions (UEB, SEB) etc > > > Sign language input > > User needs include: fingerspelling (if sign not recognised), dialect > selection, etc > > > Sign Language output > > User needs include: fingerspelling (if sign not recognised), > Large/small signer (for deafblind signers with tunnel vision), dialect > selection, etc > > > Symbol sets and diagrammatical communication > > … > > > Features related to memory > > … > > > Simple interfaces structures and commands > > … > > This started off simple and got more complicated as I wrote it but I > think it handles the issues of 1, clear scope, 2, pan accessibility, > 3, advising on user needs without dictating design. 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Any > other use of this e-mail is prohibited. > > > Thank you for your compliance. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > John Paton <mailto:John.Paton@rnib.org.uk> > Friday 19 March 2021 12:55 > > Dear all, > > I’m on holiday next week so I’ll send my apologies in advance. > > In terms of the Naur Scope and format can we change the wording of Req > 3 and 4 to > > “Support multiple input devices and methods either within the natural > language interface/s or via alternatives.” And > > “Support multiple output devices and methods either within the natural > language interface/s or via alternatives.” > > The document needs to be usable for a designer of smart speakers and > without the clarification it sounds like the speaker itself needs to > support visual/keyboard access rather than the service the speaker > provides access to. If you take Echo as the example then enabling > users to type natural language queries into the Alexa app satisfies > the accessibility requirements and is likely to be more acceptable to > users than having to have an external keyboard plugged into the Echo > (some of which don’t have screens). > > If the document is then divided into modality for inputs and modality > for outputs then it may help. Ie. > > User need > > User has sight loss and so cannot use visual output > > Req > > NLI (Natural Language Interface) Speech output or > > NLI Braille output or > > Alternative communication method (outside scope) > > User need > > User cannot see controls to use them [needs better wording] > > Req > > NLI Speech input or > > Alternative input method (outside scope) > > User need > > Hearing impairment user prefers to read > > Req > > NLI Text output or > > Alternative communication method (outside scope) > > User need > > Hearing impairment user prefers captioned speech > > Req > > NLI Captioned speech output or > > Alternative communication method (outside scope) > > … > > User need > > Deaf sign language user cannot speak to device > > Req > > NLI Sign language input (preferred) or > > NLI Text input or > > Alternative communication method (outside scope) > > etc > > Otherwise almost any combination of X input + y output above is > conceivable and you can get in a tangle trying to enumerate them all. > By labelling the alternative communication methods as being out of > scope we can contain the scope of this document (and maybe usefully > signpost to where users should be looking). This means that if a > natural language interface is being used for the speech but not the > visual interface (such as in a Smart TV) it doesn’t feel like we are > trying to force a natural language interface for the visual I/O if one > doesn’t make sense. Smart televisions could currently implement a > typed command structure similar to Alexa and I suspect that the reason > this doesn’t happen is because it doesn’t make sense in the context > rather than a lack of a11y awareness (and I can’t see that television > accessibility for people with hearing loss has suffered). > > It also frees us up to talk about user needs for sign language natural > language interfaces despite the fact we are likely a long way from > seeing any usable ones. If we have text NLI and “Alternative > communication method” as an option then we can alert the reader that a > sign language option is preferable while still allowing a text or > alternative option until technology catches up. We can then cover > alternative word orders and simplified written language structures for > signers in the text input section. > > We can then handle the user needs for each modality in their own section. > > > Speech input > > User needs include: accents, dialects, speech impediments, etc > > > Speech output > > User needs include: repeat function, etc > > > Text input > > User needs include: textspeak + emojis, spelling, Dyslexia and print > disabilities, Signer being forced to use text etc > > > Text output > > User needs include: large fonts, etc > > > Captioned speech output > > User needs include: synchronisation (signpost to media > synchronisation?),etc > > > Braille Output > > User needs include: contracted vs uncontracted Braille, support for > different sets of contractions (UEB, SEB) etc > > > Sign language input > > User needs include: fingerspelling (if sign not recognised), dialect > selection, etc > > > Sign Language output > > User needs include: fingerspelling (if sign not recognised), > Large/small signer (for deafblind signers with tunnel vision), dialect > selection, etc > > > Symbol sets and diagrammatical communication > > … > > > Features related to memory > > … > > > Simple interfaces structures and commands > > … > > This started off simple and got more complicated as I wrote it but I > think it handles the issues of 1, clear scope, 2, pan accessibility, > 3, advising on user needs without dictating design. It should also > still be humanly readable without a separate map. > > Best regards, > > John > > -- > > Marathon Mates Logo > <https://marathonmates.rnib.org.uk/?utm_source=rnib&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=marathon%20mates&utm_content=email%20signature> > > > Whether you’re miles apart or side-by-side, pair up with a mate and > run, walk, jog or skip 26.2 miles between you during the month of May. > Register for free <https://marathonmates.rnib.org.uk> and set your own > fundraising target. > > -- > > DISCLAIMER: > > The information contained in this email and any attachments is > confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient you should not use, disclose, distribute or copy any of the > content of it or of any attachment; you are requested to notify the > sender immediately of your receipt of the email and then to delete it > and any attachments from your system. > > RNIB endeavours to ensure that all emails and attachments are virus > free. 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