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RE: Latest CAPTCHA Draft

From: Scott Hollier <scott@hollier.info>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 10:35:36 +0000
To: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, "public-rqtf@w3.org" <public-rqtf@w3.org>
Message-ID: <SN6PR01MB43492497B0130AEAA67E4CFADCBD0@SN6PR01MB4349.prod.exchangelabs.com>
To Janina

Updated draft looks great! 

I agree that reference can be removed to address the concern raised. 

Once that's done, +1 from me for the draft to progress.  

Scott. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2018 5:28 AM
To: public-rqtf@w3.org
Subject: Re: Latest CAPTCHA Draft

Colleagues:

I have again updated our CAPTCHA draft. While there may be additional edits to perform, I believe they'd be minor editorial issues.

So, I think we have a document we should review closely and recommend to APA to publish for wide review.

While rawgit is going away, for now the current draft of this documents is available at this URI:

https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/js-captcha/captcha/index.html

Summary of Edits

Added a paragraph about non English audio CAPTIONs.

Edited language referring to Recaptcha significantly.

Added a reference to Estonia's E-Residency program in the certificates section.

Added the observation that a non English user must not only recognize non English characters, but possess the technology (or sophistication) to correctly transcribe those chars in the form field.

Other minor edits--perhaps a dozen or so.

IMPORTANT: Please note the comment we should dispose of following the first paragraph in the Security Effectiveness section that reads:

   It is unclear from the article titles in those references that they
   relate to OCR, the subject of the sentence.

Do the cited research publications indeed discuss OCR? Are we comfortable this assertion is accurate?

Best,

Janina

Janina Sajka writes:
> Thanks, Scott. Appreciate your considered suggestions, and I'm happy 
> to accept a reordering per your outline if others agree.
> 
> I have continued research a bit these past few days and want to add a 
> bit more specificity around Recaptcha. Apparently the behavior we're 
> describing is all Recaptcha V2, whereas V3 promises to actually never 
> bother us with captcha based on a heuristic scoring--unless the 
> scoring swings toward uncertainty. I think something need be said 
> about like along the lines of we hope it works out that way, but it's 
> too early to tell.
> 
> Also, I think we need to add to our comments on lack of non English 
> character sets. Seems we have a parallel problem with audio captchas 
> being literally nonexistent even in languages like Spanish and French.
> 
> I'm going to add the above sometime before our call Wednesday.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Hollier writes:
> > To Janina
> > 
> > I've just finished reading through and this is great work - much tighter discussion and ties back to other resources really well. 
> > 
> > The only thing I'd consider changing at this point picking up on some feedback from my OZeWAI presentational and other discussions would be to shuffle the order of CAPTCHA types slightly. I'd keep the traditional visual captcha as first, then move audio based CAPTCHA second, the reCAPTCHA third and then logic puzzle fourth, then the rest as is. I'm not personally worried about the order but based on the conversations this would better reflect the level of interest. 
> > 
> > IN terms of content itself, I reckon it's in a good place for the next public draft. 
> > 
> > Scott. 
> > 
> > Dr Scott Hollier
> > Digital Access Specialist
> > Mobile: +61 (0)430 351 909
> > Web: www.hollier.info
> >  
> > Technology for everyone
> >  
> > Looking to upskill your staff with digital access training? Fill the room for one flat fee. 
> >  
> > Keep up with digital access news by following @scotthollier on Twitter and subscribing to Scott's newsletter. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2018 12:56 AM
> > To: public-rqtf@w3.org
> > Subject: Latest CAPTCHA Draft
> > 
> > Colleagues:
> > 
> > Please find the current proposed CAPTCHA draft here:
> > 
> > https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/js-captcha/captcha/index.html
> > 
> > 
> > All comments and suggestions welcome.
> > 
> > As noted during today's RQTF teleconference, there's yet more paragraph I need to add which I will provide soon.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Janina Sajka
> > 
> > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org
> > 
> > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> 
> Janina Sajka
> 
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org
> 
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> 

-- 

Janina Sajka

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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