- From: Michael Kifer <kifer@cs.sunysb.edu>
- Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:32:22 -0400
- To: Chris Welty <cawelty@gmail.com>
- Cc: "Public-Rif-Wg (E-mail)" <public-rif-wg@w3.org>
Chris, VG's semantics applies only to rules. So,
Exists(?x) P(?x)
is not a valid syntax as an assertion -- only as a query.
So, your example is outside of the syntax of VG or even of any
logic programming-style rule language.
michael
On Tue, 19 May 2009 08:30:58 -0400
Chris Welty <cawelty@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Converging....
>
> Michael Kifer wrote:
> >>>> In a <t,u,f> valued dialect, I'm unsure what happens in this case:
> >>>>
> >>>> Exists(?x) P(?x)
> >>>> Exists(?x) P(a) :- P(?x)
> >>>>
> >>>> If this entails anything other than P(a), then we would have a hidden
> >>>> extension.
> >>> Did you mean this?
> >>>
> >>> (*) P(a) :- Exists(?x) P(?x)
> >> No, I meant the example I gave, though (*) is equivalent in a first-order system
> >> to my second sentence, and the entailment of the two sentences would of course
> >> be P(a).
> >
> > No, they are NOT equivalent.
>
> Oh, I see. Stupid syntax. I'm used to quantifiers scoping to the right. So
> yes, I did mean (*).
>
> >>> First, let me say that FLD does not define entailment --- dialects do.
> >>> This is a MAJOR point.
> >> I'm just wondering what the sensible entailment in a well-founded semantics
> >> would be for that, and if it is the same as in a first order system.
> >
> > Are you using the term "well-founded semantics" in a generic sense or in the
> > sense of Van Gelder et al?
>
> I'm not sure what the generic sense is, I'm loosely familiar with VG. Thinking
> about it more, I guess my question is, when you have <t,u,f> as truth values,
> what is the truth value of
>
> (1) Exists P(?x)
>
> when the model knows of only one object. E.g. if I also have
>
> (2) Q(a)
>
> Then is P(a) entailed?
>
> My question I guess is whether Exists means something different with three truth
> values, and whether we should consider calling it something different.
>
>
> -Chris
>
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-- michael
Received on Tuesday, 19 May 2009 15:33:03 UTC