<ChrisW> Last meeting minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2009Nov/0053.html

<ChrisW> Proposed: accept last meeting minutes

<ChrisW> Resolved: accept last meeting minutes

Liason

Nothing reported.

Action Review

<ChrisW> close action-955

<trackbot> ACTION-955 Contact Adrian Marte at STI2 about test cases and DTB support closed

close action-939

<trackbot> ACTION-939 Draft reply to public comment CD3 closed

Public Comments

<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Public_Comments

<ChrisW> ACTION: csma to send cd3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-957 - Send cd3 [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2009-12-15].

<ChrisW> ACTION: josb to draft response to IH [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-958 - Draft response to IH [on Jos de Bruijn - due 2009-12-15].

chrisw: dave, did you respond to MS?

<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Response_to_MS

<DaveReynolds> Yes, the Michael Schneider comments were the ones I responded to. He sent an "I am satisfied" response.

Publication plan

csma: if we have another last call for PRD, what would be the schedule?

sandro: LC must be at least 3 weeks, can go from LC to CR, so can publish 2nd last call in Jan and "keep up" with the other specs

csma: not decided yet if the PRD refraction is a bug or requires a substantive change to the spec

XML syntax of import

michael: harold is in China and unavailable to discuss XML import

implementations

<csma> currently doing the change on comments

<csma> will do the update after

michael: will create a wiki page for FLD implementations

sandro: ensure style sheet for implementations is the basic one, not for W3C docs

<csma> implementation page updated for ontobroker

<MichaelKifer> Sandro, can you suggest the right style sheet?

<sandro> MichaelKifer, this one should be good: http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/TR/base.css

chrisw: any impl of RDF or OWL import?

michael: silk probably supports RDF

<ChrisW> ACTION: sandro to contact jderoo about rdf support in EYE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-959 - Contact jderoo about rdf support in EYE [on Sandro Hawke - due 2009-12-15].

chrisw: need an OWL import implementation

<sandro> ooops

chrisw: were there impl reports for OWL2 RL?

<sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Implementations

sandro: wiki shows Jena and Oracle have OWL RL impls

<ChrisW> ACTION: gary to contact Zhe Wu at oracle about whether the Oracle 11g Owl Reasoner could produce/consume RIF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-960 - Contact Zhe Wu at oracle about whether the Oracle 11g Owl Reasoner could produce/consume RIF [on Gary Hallmark - due 2009-12-15].

gary: issue is the many many RIF builtins

Test cases

<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/AssertRetract

chrisw: assertRetract test case is ok

csma: yes but it is strange
... would like some more time to decide about it

<csma> bye

<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_Strings_from_IRI

<DaveReynolds> Looks OK to me.

looks ok to me, but I'm glad I don't have to implement full equality :-)

<ChrisW> PROPOSED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_Strings_from_IRI

<sandro> +1

<DaveReynolds> +1

<ChrisW> +1

<LeoraMorgenstern> +1

<ChrisW> RESOLVED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_Strings_from_IRI

<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_IRIs_from_String

<ChrisW> PROPOSED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_IRIs_from_String

<DaveReynolds> +1

<sandro> +1

<josb> +1

<ChrisW> RESOLVED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_IRIs_from_String

<LeoraMorgenstern> +1

<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary

<ChrisW> PROPOSED: accept http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary

<josb> +1

<ChrisW> RESOLVED: accept http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary

<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_PlainLiteral

<LeoraMorgenstern> What is is-literal-not-plain-literal?

<ChrisW> PROPOSED: accept http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_PlainLiteral

<DaveReynolds> +1

<LeoraMorgenstern> +1

<josb> +1

<ChrisW> RESOLVED: accept http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_PlainLiteral

<ChrisW> ACTION: Dave to check base64Binary case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-961 - Check base64Binary case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary [on Dave Reynolds - due 2009-12-15].

<ChrisW> ACTION: Chris to contact Stella about regenerating XML for BUiltins_string [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-962 - Contact Stella about regenerating XML for BUiltins_string [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-12-15].

josb: fixed some rdf: vs xs: prefixes in Builtins_String

chrisw: xml will need to be regenerated

<DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#func-substring

<josb> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/DTB#func:string-join_.28adapted_from_fn:string-join.29

dave: 2nd substring looks wrong

sandro: is it a 0-based or 1-based index problem?

<sandro> Note that, as in XPath-Functions, the first character of a string is located at position 1, not position 0.

chrisw: 3rd arg is length
... so strings start at 1 but Lists start at 0 (??)

<sandro> fn:substring("12345", 0, 3) returns "12".

sandro: the starting index is 1, so starting at 0 is legal, just doesn't have a char

<ChrisW> ACTION: Chris to put BUiltins-String on agenda next time [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-963 - Put BUiltins-String on agenda next time [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-12-15].

<MichaelKifer> have to run

chrisw: check replace builtin, and try to pass next time