- From: Changhai Ke <cke@ilog.fr>
- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:40:04 +0200
- To: "Paul Vincent" <pvincent@tibco.com>, "RIF WG" <public-rif-wg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <3E5E1A634BBD5C4A94C4D4A6DE0852E7019BDFCD@parmbx02.ilog.biz>
Hi Paul, Thanks for your prompt feedback. I would like to hear inputs from the others on your question ("is the cost of using frame / BLD definitions outweighing the compactness of object oriented notions? "). It seems this is a policy which leads to the answers of many questions. Not sure that I fully understand your explanations about Tibco. Do you mean that Tibco has a sort of proprietary object system (like the traditional expert system shells), so the notion of assert, retract and modify are natively captured in the constructors/destructors/accessors? BTW it's a mixed model, as I understood there are also Java objects, and surely XML ones. By "classic AI-type frames", do you mean Minsky's frames, that are objects with slots, slots with facets and procedural attachments etc.? Changhai ________________________________ From: Paul Vincent [mailto:pvincent@tibco.com] Sent: jeudi 9 octobre 2008 18:12 To: Changhai Ke; RIF WG Subject: RE: [PRD] ACTION-619: Examples in JRules to support discussion on Assert and Modify --> same in TIBCO BE Excellent example :-) TIBCO's BusinessEvents rule engine (used for CEP) is similar to the classic own-object-model AI / KBS systems of the early 90s, which used custom object models and classic AI-type frames. In (our) CEP the "events" fed in are not existing Java objects (even if a Java object was the original source). But still, an event is usually decomposed into a created object (ie a fact is asserted representing the event)*. The fact is in object form, so uses a constructor as if it was a Java object. The creation of the object is *generally* the same as asserting it into the rule engine WM (the boundary case is that, outside of a rule agent, I can create objects and stuff them into the data grid for later collection / assertion under program control, or use in some other kind of agent, or load an existing object from cache - but that is irrelevant for RIF purposes). The same is true for the retract / destructor (ie we can remove the object which also removes it from WM). For distributed agent systems, outside of the scope of RIF PRD, we also have object control commands to remove from WM (but leave in the cache for other agents to use). Also true for "modify" (like other PR engines, we don't explicitly say "modify" but simply define actions against objects)... The qu for RIF PRD - is the cost of using frame / BLD definitions outweighing the compactness of object oriented notions? I wonder if a object-predicate PRD-BLD notation mapper isn't the way to go, and keep PRD more useful and focused on the object world? Notes: * the representation of rules in terms of objects is irrespective of whether the underlying representation of the objects are tuples. Paul Vincent TIBCO | Business Optimization | Business Rules & CEP ________________________________ From: public-rif-wg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-rif-wg-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Changhai Ke Sent: 09 October 2008 16:36 To: RIF WG Subject: [PRD] ACTION-619: Examples in JRules to support discussion on Assert and Modify Hello all, Per my action-619: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/actions/619 booked during the RIF-PRD meeting of 07/10, below is an example of "assert" and some explanations about "modify". Regards, Changhai Syntax of "assert" in ILOG JRules In production rule systems, "assert" allows to add an object to the rule engine's working memory. In ILOG JRules, the original "assert" has been renamed to "insert" to avoid confusion with JDK's assert capability (since JDK 1.4). This is an example: rule BuyNewBooks { when { // some conditions not expressed here, // because not relevant for our discussion } then { insert Book("978-0-201-72789-0") { title = "The Power of Events"; price = 40; year = 2007; author = "David Luckham"; category = "computer science"; } } } Explanations * "insert" is the rule language keyword, it is to assert a new object. * "Book" is the name of the class. It is optionally followed by a list of arguments within (). Here we want to use a constructor with one argument: the ISBN number. The argument can be typed string, or more strongly typed. The choice is up to the object model designer. * After the book object is created using the selected constructor, the block of statements within {} is executed in the scope of the current object. Here, we assign some values to its fields. "title" means the field "title" of the current object. * After all the statements are executed, the object is reputed well-initialized. * Finally, the object is added to the rule engine's working memory. The real assertion is done here. Comments * JRules provides the capability to select a constructor. If PRD chooses to always use a constructor with no argument (this puts a little constraint on the business object model), the previous statement can be rewritten as: insert Book { ISBN = "978-0-201-72789-0" title = "The Power of Events"; price = 40; year = 2007; author = "David Luckham"; category = "computer science"; }; * Here, the 0-arg constructor is used, and the ISBN field is explicitly assigned. * Although the absence of arguments in the constructor is a weakness, it can be acceptable in a first version. * JRules "insert" adds a whole object to the WM, after it is initialized. * In JRules, we don't have a notion of "asserting a field value", we assert a whole object. But the fields can be multi-valued, and it is possible to add a value to a multi-valued field. Can this be understood as the capability of "asserting a field value"? Non-intrusiveness of production rule systems One important principle of rule systems is being non-intrusive to the application object model. When an application is designed, the designer had the freedom to design the object model accordingly to the pure business requirements. He/she designs the classes, and will assign them some constructors. Some of them will be with arguments, and some others without arguments, this is dictated by the business needs. Only later on, the rules are brought into the application. The rules must then infer on an existing object model, without requiring altering it. As a matter of fact, people who write rules are not necessarily the ones who designed the object model. In this sense, the inability of RIF-PRD to use any form of constructor violates the non-intrusiveness of production rule systems. Although we are making the decision to support only zero-arg constructors, this weakness needs to be understood and acknowledged. Necessity of a "modify" for RIF-PRD A "modify" statement signifies that an object in the WM is being modified, one or several fields are assigned new values. Below is an example of syntax in ILOG JRules: modify ?b { year = 2008; price = 50; } Here, the variable ?b must be previously bound to an object. Its notation and the manner it has been bound are out of the scope of this discussion. The statement block within {} assigns new values to some fields of the object. After all the assignments are done, the modified object is used by the rule engine (to infer new rule instances to fire). Without a "modify" statement, the object modifications will be simulated in RIF-PRD using "retract" and "assert", in the following way: retract ?b; ?b.year = 2008; ?b.price = 50; insert ?b; This is much more verbose and ugly than a native "modify" statement. A modify statement is required for a few reasons: * Most of the production rule systems, ILOG JRules, Fair Isaac, Drools, Jess, OPS family, have a "modify" statement (sometimes called "change", "update") etc. * This indicates that an object is being modified. The engine can be prepared accordingly. This also improves human readability. * It is an essential feature to build Truth Maintenance System. Retract/assert would break the truth maintenance. * The paper attached in this e-mail discusses the interests of an in-place modify, although this can be considered as an implementation detail (a relatively significant challenge in production systems). Note this paper has been followed by several other papers. * A "modify" does not necessarily mean that all the rule systems must implement this in a specific way. It is firstly a convenient syntax to express object modifications. In the operational semantics, we can figure out a way, such that this can be implemented as a retract/assert pair, or as an in-place update.
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