- From: Axel Polleres <axel.polleres@deri.org>
- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:22:56 +0200
- To: kifer@cs.sunysb.edu
- CC: Jos de Bruijn <debruijn@inf.unibz.it>, Rule Interchange Format Working Group WG <public-rif-wg@w3.org>
Michael Kifer wrote: > I was just checking if this was the intent. > > I think it is enough to define this function by a bunch of axioms > > iriToStr("a"^^rif:iri "a"^^xs:string). You mean basically that these axioms are implicit in RIF for all strings? Well, why not... we get infinitly many axiomatic facts with that in RIF (which is a thing which some people don't like about RDF...) but so would we with Jos solution, indeed, I do not see what the preceding paragraph adds. I think this brings us to a proper solution: We can get something which looks like a *real* casting function by the same means, not having to go the nasty bypath of having a predicate by replacing "iriToStr("a"^^rif:iri "a"^^xsd:string) is satisfied in every RIF interpretation." with the following: "The following equalities hold in every RIF interpretation: xsd:string("a"^^rif:iri) = "a"^^xsd:string and rif:iri("a"^^xsd:string) = "a"^^xsd:iri " why didn't we realize this earlier... This is more elegant than having a predicate for one cast and functions for all others. Also, this form of equalities has the elegance that additional equalities (e.g. by iris referrng to the same object) are not a problem at all with this. Accordingly, I changed the respective section on casting from an d to rif:iri to the following text: ---------------------- ==== <tt>rif:iri</tt> ==== {| | style="background-color: #80FF80" rowspan="1" colspan="1" | Editor's note: Casting from and to is still under discussion in the working group since <tt>rif:iri</tt> is not a datatype. For details, we refer to [http://www.w3.org/mid/20080610143044.5698ABF57@nelson.w3.org Issue-61]. The following is a strawman proposal which might still change in future versions of this working draft. |} <p>Additionally to the built-in cast functions for datatyes we allow conversions from and to constants in the <tt>rif:iri</tt> symbol space to and from <tt>xsd:string</tt>s following similar considerations as conversions from and to <tt>xsd:anyURI</tt> in <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[#ref-xpath-functions|XPath-Functions]]]. Technically speaking, we cannot proceed as with the other cast functions, defining the semantics via a fixed mapping '''''I'''''<sub>external</sub> for an external schema <tt> ( ?arg<sub>1</sub>; rif:iri ( ?arg<sub>1</sub> ) )</tt>, since <tt>rif:iri</tt> is not a datatype with a fixed value space and fixed lexical-to value mapping. Instead, casts between <tt>rif:iri</tt> and <tt>xsd:string</tt> are defined via an infinite set of axiomatic equalities in every RIF interpretation as follows.</p> <p>The following equalities hold in every RIF interpretation for each unicode string <i>a</i>:</p> <ul> <li><tt>xsd:string("</tt><i>a</i><tt>"^^rif:iri) = "</tt><i>a</i><tt>"^^xsd:string</tt></li> <li><tt>rif:iri("</tt><i>a</i><tt>"^^xsd:string) = "</tt><i>a</i><tt>"^^xsd:iri</tt></li> </ul> <p>Thus, although there is no explicit schema <tt> ( ?arg<sub>1</sub>; rif:iri ( ?arg<sub>1</sub> ) )</tt> in RIF, casts between <tt>xsd:string<tt>s and <tt>rif:iri</tt>s are still possible in RIF with the intended semantics that the IRI represented by a particular string can be cast to this very string and vice versa. </p> ---------------------- I like this solution :-) Axel > and not bother with the preceding text in your message. It is much simpler that way. > > michael > > On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:22:10 +0200 > Jos de Bruijn <debruijn@inf.unibz.it> wrote: > >> Well, it was the only reasonable alternative I could think of for >> casting IRIs to strings. >> >> I am personally actually not convinced that we even need such a casting >> function, but there are some people who think it is useful. >> >> Best, Jos >> >> Michael Kifer wrote: >>> This makes iriToString a multivalued function (i.e., the same iri has several >>> string interpretations). Is this what we want? >>> >>> >>> --michael >>> >>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:40:04 +0200 >>> Jos de Bruijn <debruijn@inf.unibz.it> wrote: >>> >>>> See [1] and preceding the messages in the thread for a description of >>>> the semantic problems. In [1] I also proposed a casting predicate that >>>> seems to work. >>>> >>>> In summary, the biggest semantic challenge in casting IRIs to strings is >>>> that several different IRIs may be mapped to the same string. The >>>> following was my proposal: >>>> >>>> "Let I be an interpretation, let u be an element in the domain of I, and >>>> let {i1, ..., in} be the set of IRIs that denote u, i.e. for each ij (1 >>>> <= j <= n), IC(ij)=u. IR(iriToString)(u,"ij")=t for (1 <= j <= n); >>>> IR(iriToString)(u,s)=f for every element s not in {"i1", ..., "in"}." >>>> >>>> The rule set >>>> iriToString("b"^^rif:iri,"b"^^xsd:string) >>>> >>>> is satisfied in every RIF interpretation. >>>> >>>> I think this predicates should be sufficient for most of the use cases. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, Jos >>>> >>>> Rule Interchange Format Working Group Issue Tracker wrote: >>>>> ISSUE-61 (IRI-Casts): Casting to/from rif:iri [DTB] >>>>> >>>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/ >>>>> >>>>> Raised by: Christopher Welty >>>>> On product: DTB >>>>> >>>>> It is clear users of RIF dialects such as BLD will want to be able to convert (cast) instances of rif:iri to/from other datatypes, in particular strings and possibly rif:text. >>>>> >>>>> In general, a casting mechanism is not present in DTB and should be added. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > -- Dr. Axel Polleres, Digital Enterprise Research Institute (DERI) email: axel.polleres@deri.org url: http://www.polleres.net/ Everything is possible: rdfs:subClassOf rdfs:subPropertyOf rdfs:Resource. rdfs:subClassOf rdfs:subPropertyOf rdfs:subPropertyOf. rdf:type rdfs:subPropertyOf rdfs:subClassOf. rdfs:subClassOf rdf:type owl:SymmetricProperty.
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