- From: Axel Polleres <axel.polleres@deri.org>
- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:25:43 +0000
- To: Chris Welty <cawelty@gmail.com>
- CC: Jos de Bruijn <debruijn@inf.unibz.it>, axel@platon.escet.urjc.es, "Public-Rif-Wg (E-mail)" <public-rif-wg@w3.org>
I did respond to the list. axel Chris Welty wrote: > > > Is Axel not responding to the list or am I dropping more email? I am > only seeing Jos' half of this discussion. > > -Chris > > Jos de Bruijn wrote: >>>> It seems to me that this is an issue for phase 2: >>>> - I do not think there are many systems which support this kind of >>> built-ins >>> >>> well, aggregates are supported by many languages (SQL, XQuery, etc.) >>> and of crucial importance. It is just a more general definition of >>> built-ins, fully upwards-compatible to simply saying "predicates with a >>> fixed interpretation". I see no reason to preclude it if we can >>> accomodate >>> it by a slightly more general notion of built-ins. >> >> The languages you mention are query languages; not rules languages. Are >> there any rule systems besides dlvhex which support such general >> built-ins? >> >>>> - as I understand it, the implementation of such built-ins is far from >>>> trivial >>> not so hard either. >>> >>>> - because time is short, I think we should not start introducing new >>>> features in the language, but rather concentrate on finishing the >>>> features we agreed upon so far. >>> It is important to avoid lock-in against such features though. >> >> it would be good to leave the option open for possible future extensions. >> >> Best, Jos >> >>> Did you answer this to me only, or to the list? >>> >>> Axel >>> >>> >>>> Best, Jos >>>> >>>> Axel Polleres wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I was asked to make a use case for what is called higher-order >>>>> built-ins. >>>>> >>>>> In order to recap, let me repeat a generic definition of the term >>>>> "built-in" from one of my previous mails (see >>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Nov/0011.html): >>>>> >>>>> "[...] evaluable predicates, unlike usual definitions of built-ins in >>>>> logic programming, can not only take constant parameters but also >>>>> (extensions of) predicates as input. Inputs can not only be terms, but >>>>> also predicate names (in which case the *extension* of the respective >>>>> predicate is the input.)" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here some example: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1) Aggregate functions, for instance count seem to be a necessary >>>>> prerequisite for aggregating not only database data, but also web >>>>> data: >>>>> In this example, we assume we have a builtin &count with binding >>>>> pattern >>>>> >>>>> &count( Input, Output) >>>>> >>>>> available that counts the extension of the predicate 'Input'. With >>>>> such >>>>> a predicate, I could count the number of foaf:knows links defined >>>>> in my >>>>> foaf file more or less like this: >>>>> >>>>> myfriends(?X) :- :me[foaf:knows->?X]. >>>>> >>>>> friendscount(Count) :- &count( myfriends, Count ). >>>>> >>>>> Such builtins ar implemented in the dlvhex system [1,2]. We used >>>>> this >>>>> generic mechanism for instance to implement an extension by >>>>> aggregate >>>>> functions for SPARQL, details see [3,4]. In that paper we have more >>>>> complex agregates where we can also define the parameters of a >>>>> certain >>>>> predicate we want to agregate over. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Another example is interoperability of rules and ontologies by >>>>> dedicated DL query predicates, see also [1]. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. 1. T. Eiter, G. Ianni, R. Schindlauer, H. Tompits. A Uniform >>>>> Integration of Higher-Order Rea- >>>>> soning and External Evaluations in Answer Set Programming. In >>>>> International Joint Con- >>>>> ference on Artificial Intelligence (IJCAI) 2005, pp. 90–96, Edinburgh, >>>>> UK, Aug. 2005. >>>>> >>>>> 2. http://www.kr.tuwien.ac.at/research/dlvhex >>>>> >>>>> 3. A. Polleres, F. Scharffe, and R. Schindlauer. SPARQL++ for mapping >>>>> between RDF vocabularies. In OTM 2007, Part I : Proceedings of the 6th >>>>> International Conference on Ontologies, DataBases, and Applications of >>>>> Semantics (ODBASE 2007), volume 4803 of Lecture Notes in Computer >>>>> Science, pages 878-896, Vilamoura, Algarve, Portugal, November 2007. >>>>> Springer. >>>>> http://www.polleres.net/publications/poll-etal-2007.pdf >>>>> >>>>> 4. >>>>> http://www.polleres.net/presentations/20071127-SPARQL++ODBASE2007.pdf >>>>> >>> >> > -- Dr. Axel Polleres email: axel@polleres.net url: http://www.polleres.net/ rdf:Resource owl:differentFrom xsd:anyURI .
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