- From: Milan Zamazal <pdm@zamazal.org>
- Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:21:31 +0200
- To: Mark Watson <watsonm@netflix.com>
- Cc: public-restrictedmedia@w3.org
>>>>> "MW" == Mark Watson <watsonm@netflix.com> writes: MW> For the second group, since they cannot access any protected MW> content today, they are affected only if content which is MW> unprotected today becomes protected in future *as a result of MW> EME*. Or if content which is protected today wouldn't become unprotected in the future as a result of EME. I believe W3C standards can help move in one or the other directions. E.g. thanks to HTML5 I can view YouTube videos without Flash today. Would it happen if some opaque Flash box mechanism was standardized instead of HTML5? There used to be times when W3C standards were often violated but complaints about broken results in W3C compliant Web browsers were being discarded by providers explaining that "90% of our users use (non-compliant) browser XY which works fine so we don't care". Believe me, it was very frustrating being a second-class Web citizen but I could at least complain. With EME I'll be a second-class Web citizen without any ground to complain since EME will be compliant. When accepting pragmatic thinking, it's much easier to get unprotected content without paying for it (regardless of whatever kind of DRM in action) than to follow the EME topic. But we probably believe that making fair deals is a better way otherwise we wouldn't bother. MW> I understand the criticism that we do not provide a solution MW> which does not rely on placing trust in an opaque piece of MW> software. And without being able to implement it on any (reasonable) device or system we like. MW> Let's consider what such a solution would need to look like: we MW> would need a non-user-modifiable component that was completely MW> user-verifiable. That is, which a user could look into in such MW> a way that they can obtain complete confidence about what it MW> does - at least functionally, up to some numerical values that MW> may not be easily observable. MW> Creating such a thing is challenging, but I don't know anyone MW> who would not welcome it if such a thing was created. [...] MW> What I can say is that such a solution would fit right in with MW> the EME architecture. So, whilst I understand this as a MW> criticism of existing DRM, I don't understand it as a criticism MW> of EME. We don't believe common implementors will be looking for challenging solutions when they can use EME simply in ways they are used to, right? I understand the need for EME by some entities and I admit it's hard for me to imagine working non-DRM solutions for some useful services provided *nowadays*, without considerably changing some things. I appreciate you acknowledge the criticism of DRM/EME as well. I believe we can understand each other to this point. We probably don't understand each other on the benefit and harm of making EME an official W3C standard. I tried to explain above why I don't think making EME an official W3C standard is a good idea in current situation; while I still don't understand why developing EME outside W3C wouldn't satisfy the needs of the first group you mention. Well, I don't think making EME a W3C standard can be stopped now. I still think cementing some things this way and leaving significant part of Web users as second-class netizens is a mistake.
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