- From: Emmanuel Revah <stsil@manurevah.com>
- Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 14:03:08 +0200
- To: public-restrictedmedia@w3.org
On 2013/05/17 17:24, Mark Watson wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 3:50 AM, Emmanuel Revah <stsil@manurevah.com> > wrote: > > On 2013/05/16 17:41, Mark Watson wrote: [...] > Will those who wish to use the EME part of the W3C specifications be > required to spend money on keys and/or require the collaboration > (active or passive) of a 3rd party ? [...] > If I understand well this means that using this part of the "web spec" > would exclude those who cannot afford it or those who are refused > service by CDM vendors. Will it be possible for anyone to operate their > own CDM without relying on 3rd parties ? > > Perhaps this point has not been completely defined yet and it's too > early to ask. However, my concern would be that this technology be only > usable in exchange for money and/or with the cooperation of a > "certified/authorised" 3rd party. If so it would exclude its possible > usage to some. > > The specification doesn't define particular CDMs. I understand some > believe this point to be a technicality, but generally what is and is > not included in a specification is viewed as being of some modest > import. > > Browsers are free to supports CDMs that are free (in whatever sense is > important to you). But for reasons that have nothing to do with EME, > DRM systems that are acceptable to studios today are unlikely to be > made available without cost (at least until various patents expire). I > don't see how that fact has any bearing on whether EME should be > specified or not - it remains true and affects everyone in the same > way with or without EME. I'm not sure we understood each other here. My simple question was/is: If I want to use EME to restrict the usage of my content, will I have to rely on a 3rd party or is it technically possible for me to do it on my own ? I think this question is quite simple, I have accepted in advance that perhaps things aren't yet sufficiently defined to reply to this. > I notice that by the mere act of visiting your site you deem me to > have agreed to some rather restrictive terms [...] > From your site: > > IMPORTANT NOTE - By viewing the content of this website you agree to > the following: > > * Copy is right > * Free speech and privacy are not up for debate > * Non Free software is evil > [...] > These are huge and far-reaching propositions. From reading other messages I realised that you did understand that this was a parody. So this whole discussion on my draconian terms that are comparably as restrictive as DRM is moot. > That said, I do indeed think DRM is not reasonable. How could anyone > have the pretension to want to control how a person views their content > in their own personal space ? > > It's not pretension if the user has been asked first whether they > agree to some restrictions and they do agree. I fail to see the relation between a user agreeing to having their usage of content controlled by the distributor and my opinion that wanting such control is pretenious. I think what you want to say is that if the user agrees to accept DRM, then the user agrees to accept DRM. To that I would agree. > Is it reasonable for me to want to implement a system that would have > deleted/edited the phrases you copy pasted from my site into your email > ? > > If you wanted to make my use of an editor with that capability a > condition of viewing your site, I don't see why you shouldn't be free > to ask that of me. You created the content, you are free to decide how > to license it. I may then decide whether or not agreeing to that > restriction is a reasonably price for me to pay for access to the > content. I agree 100% to this. However, two things: 1. This would make me a very pretensious person in regards to my content. 2. The technologies I would use to do such a thing shouldn't be part of a standard that promotes openness. It could be implemented, it could be free or not free, it could even be a standard. But it shouldn't be part of the W3 standard. > Where should the control stop ? > > You're free to propose any terms you choose (within the law). Nothing > is being imposed on anyone here. It's a contract that requires both an > offer and acceptance. "within the law", this is a touchy subject as certain laws allow those who purchase media to make personal backup copies or to copy to another device (copying a CD to an mp3 player) so long as it's for personal non-sharing usage. In certain cases the use of DRM may exceed it's legality, for example restricting a user to practice their rights. This is all margin and padding talk, because I've said it many times, I don't care if you do DRM, DRM isn't new. I don't think it's ethical and I do think it's pretentious. I also do think that users should read the terms before accepting them. It's actually what I consider a big issue, "users who click agree without reading a word", this does create situations where many users are legally binded to contracts which they haven't even read. This is going way off topic so I'll stop here. > DRM goes far beyond reason as it treats the legitimate consumer as a > threat. > > Do you also think that RFID tag detectors at the doors of stores treat > legitimate shoppers as a threat ? As noted by others, it is a false question. The RFID tag is removed from the product at the moment of purchase. An adequate comparison would be a DVD that doesn't allow your DVD player to play the DVD unless it is connected to the Internet and has cleared authorisation using a DVD player specification standard that promotes openness. Also, the DVD can disable the pause/mute/fast_forward/etc functions of your DVD player and why not even be remotely controlled entirely while playing this DVD. -- Emmanuel Revah http://manurevah.com
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