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Re: Element queries: The viewport element

From: Lucas Wiener <lucas@wiener.se>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 14:01:15 +0000
Message-ID: <CAHGk_Uw5fvmREdxe1AEZRv2UPcPk_dAsk+MA38qCZ5Lq__onzw@mail.gmail.com>
To: François REMY <francois.remy.dev@outlook.com>, Lucas Wiener <lucas@wiener.se>, "public-respimg@w3.org" <public-respimg@w3.org>
Hi François,

Thank you for your response.

Yes I understand this is really early to discuss syntax and specifications,
but I'm trying to theorize about element queries as much as possible for my
study :)

Interesting, I did not know about the seamless iframe. Too bad it seems
like all browsers have pulled the support for them.

I guess that I got the answer to my question - that it is possible.

Thank you

Kind regards,
Lucas Wiener

lör 4 apr. 2015 kl 16:16 skrev François REMY <francois.remy.dev@outlook.com
>:

> Hi Lucas,
>
> The <viewport> element is something totally fictionnal at the moment, so
> it's hard to predict what it will do or how it will achieve that result at
> this point.
>
> That being said, your question could tentatively be answered in a positive
> way, because iframes can have a "seamless" attribut allowing to achieve the
> result you point out.
>
> The issue with iframes is that seamless doesn't prevent height-related
> media queries and units, which is a problem. We could avoid this pitfall
> with the viewport element, if we specify it that way.
>
> Best regards,
> François
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: lucas@wiener.se
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:38:37 +0000
> To: public-respimg@w3.org
> Subject: Element queries: The viewport element
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm investigating element queries for my master's thesis.
>
> It is my understanding that element queries will be restricted to
> something like "container queries" so that all queries can only target the
> nearest "viewport" ancestor element. This to avoid a lot of problems (such
> as decreased parallelism and cyclic rules).
>
> From what I've read, this viewport element will be a new HTML element very
> similar to an iframe, but without the new browsing context. So the viewport
> element would have it's own viewport (of course) which the children would
> write queries on (much like the window viewport and media queries). For
> this to work, the viewport style cannot depend on it's children. This will
> make it behave much like an iframe style-wise (no auto-height or similar
> content flexibility).
>
> *My question:*
> Would it be possible to let the viewport element style properties depend
> on it's children for the properties that are not present in any child
> element query? Assume that the typical use case for element queries is to
> write conditional CSS depending on the width of the viewport element. If no
> element queries target the height of the viewport, could the viewport then
> be allowed to behave like a normal block-element and have it's height be
> computed by it's children?
>
> I think by allowing this, working with viewport elements would be much
> more pleasant since they behave as "normal" div elements with the addition
> that one can write local element queries inside it.
>
> Of course, for more advanced element queries that targets both the height
> and width, the viewport can no longer depend on it's children.
>
> Kind regards
> Lucas Wiener
>
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