- From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
- Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:13:51 -0500
- To: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>
- CC: Michael Bolger <michael@michaelbolger.net>, public-rdfa@w3.org, RDFa mailing list <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>, Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>, Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Dan Brickley wrote: > +cc: Sam Ruby, TimBL, DanC +cc: Hixie > On 13/2/09 10:27, Michael Bolger wrote: > >> Friends of XHTML, are seeing a train wreck, the same "old" W3C >> "hero-worshiped" "leadership" does nothing of any substance to join the >> battle. HTML 5 has won by default. I believe that I can amply demonstrate myself as being both a friend of XHTML *and* as a friend of HTML 5. >> Who, Where? is the top representative from the W3C in the html5/xhtml5 >> process. I believe that looking at the "top" is looking in the wrong direction. Yes, there are good people at the "top", but from what I see, there are not enough people ready, willing, and able to do the hard work of drafting specs that can gain consensus. >> Marketing RDFa? Get someone to lead the effort in the html5/xhtml5 >> battle before it is over. Again, I'm not certain that marketing is the right answer. At the present time, the editor of the HTML 5 specification is profoundly unconvinced that RDFa either has a valid use case or is the best way to address the use cases that have been provided. I see several ways forward, none of which involves battles, direction from on high, or marketing. 1) Convince Ian that RDFa has merit. 2) Produce a specification, possibly derived in a substantial way from the current HTML 5 specification, with the necessary additions for RDFa. If this is done, we can see which draft enjoys a greater amount of consensus. 3) Accept that HTML 5 is just "a" specification, and that there may be other specifications which target your use case. I'm just mentioning this one for completeness, as co-chair of the HTML working group, this approach would sadden me. > This is not a battle. Battles kill people. It is a dispute amongst > technologists who have varying assumptions, backgrounds, collaboration > networks and agendas, and who are slowly learning to see each other's > perspective. > > Please (and I am very serious here) stop using such bloody metaphors to > describe what should be a civil and mutually respectful collaborative > process. You will not improve anything if you foster this kind of > perspective on our shared problems. Battle talk results in a battle > mindset. I do not want to hear any RDFa advocates talking in such terms. > > Really, enough with the battle stuff. Go find someone who works on HTML5 > and be nice to them, find common ground, try out their tools. As always, I find myself agreeing with Dan. > Thanks in advance, > > Dan - Sam Ruby
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