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Re: proposal: N-Quads as subset of TriG

From: Souripriya Das <souripriya.das@oracle.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:15:58 -0700 (PDT)
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To: <sandro@w3.org>
Cc: <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>
Since new N-Triples is pretty close to the original, I am not particular about changing its name. 
However, since the new syntax for quads you are proposing is quite different, a new name would make sense. 

Thanks, 
- Souri. 

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Subject: Re: proposal: N-Quads as subset of TriG 



On 07/14/2013 09:09 AM, Souripriya Das wrote: 



Oracle uses N-Quads. 
A new name for the proposed syntax would be better. 
Some additional possibilities for names: T-Quads, Q-TriG, ... 

I was mostly thinking about Oracle when I mused about whether we should be changing the name of N-Triples when we change little details of how it works and make it Recommended. Do you have an opinion on that? 

-- Sandro 




- Souri. 

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From: sandro@w3.org 
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Subject: proposal: N-Quads as subset of TriG 


Thinking about our abundance of RDF syntaxes, I'm wondering if we can make N-Quads be a subset of TriG. Specifically, I'd suggest each line of an N-Quads file either be: 



1. An N-Triples Line 
or 
2. GRAPH <iri> { an-n-triples-line } 
I know this isn't compatible with old N-Quads. That's a shame. But it would make N-Triples, N-Quads, Turtle, and TriG all just be profiles of the same language, readable with the same parser. And that language is closely aligned with SPARQL, being the same where one would expect it to be. That seems like a very good thing. 

It would mean the W3C Recommended RDF languages would be: RDF/XML, RDFa, JSON-LD, and TriG (with its profiles, especially Turtle). Those are each so obviously different, I see little possibility of confusion or need for advice. And that's a very good thing. 

Maybe we should use a different name, since it's not at all like N-Quads. Perhaps "Line-Mode TriG" or "Primitive TriG" or "Line Quads" or "TriG Line Dump" or "Dataset Line Dump Format". (Do we want to rename N-Triples, too? I know 2013 N-Triples isn't exactly the same as 2004 N-Triples, so maybe a new name would be helpful? Or is it close enough that the same name is fine. N-Triples and N-Quads are rather obscure names.) Maybe "N-Triples with named graphs" or "Dataset N-Triples". 

I guess the problem with this would be if lots of people are using N-Quads as is, in the open, and are totally not convinced by this argument. If they're going to keep using non-TriG N-Quads, even if we do this, that would be a little awkward. Is anyone reading this potentially in this camp? Or do you know anyone who is? 

If not, can we please align on one language like this? 

-- Sandro 
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