- From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:31:35 -0400
- To: public-rdf-wg@w3.org
- Message-ID: <50325857.1010607@openlinksw.com>
On 8/20/12 11:16 AM, Andy Seaborne wrote: > > > On 20/08/12 15:24, Kingsley Idehen wrote: >> On 8/20/12 10:14 AM, Andy Seaborne wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 20/08/12 14:20, Kingsley Idehen wrote: >>>> We have to teach RDF by encouraging folks to craft Turtle by hand, as >>>> a first step. Making triples visible is the key to this endeavor. >>>> Historically, as exemplified by RDF/XML, losing the triple in syntax >>>> ultimately loses the plot. IMHO., HTML with RDFa or Micordata embeded >>>> don't address this fundamental issue, neither does JSON-LD (which is >>>> for JS developers). >>>> >>>> The value of TimBL's point is best appreciated once there's >>>> acceptance of the notion that folks (profile: end-user and/or >>>> integrator / tech plumber) will ultimately start the Linked Data >>>> journey by crafting Turtle by hand. >>>> >>>> Unlike HTML, crafting Turtle by hand is both useful and extremely >>>> practical. >>> >>> >>> Kingsley, >>> >>> I agree that the clarity of triples is the major win with Turtle. We >>> have been recommending that to people who have got lost in RDF/XML ... >>> all too many of them! >>> >>> > Making triples visible is the key to this endeavor. >>> >>> This an argument for not including reverse path syntax, right? Makes >>> the syntax close to the triples. Inverse properties are in the data >>> model. > > """Inverse properties are not in the data model.""" They are in the mental model :-) > >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> >>> >> Andy, >> >> I think the extension can be made in a non detrimental way to Turtle. As >> you know, we support it, but we don't necessarily put it at the front >> door when introducing Linked Data via Turtle. In fact, I completely >> forgot about our implementation until I had a conversation with >> @openlink:ivan . >> >> My argument is in support of TimBL's suggestion with the goal of getting >> it in now without necessarily having it at the front door. Basically, as >> folks get familiar with Turtle the benefits of the tweak become clearer. >> This is ultimately about avoiding a future protracted effort -- on the >> standardization front -- relating to this kind of syntax sugar. > > So you support adding "is...of" and are against adding the syntax "^" > for inverse properties? No, I think both should be supported where "^" is just shorthand i.e., additional syntax sugar. > > Do you support, in your product, the "has" syntax of N3? Yes, but that happened was committed approx. five minutes ago. > What about the N3 (different from the proposal here) style "^" and "/"? > > (N3 is a lot more than just extra pieces of syntax - it's not (just) a > data format - it's a proposed way of working and exchanging such > working (rules) on the web.) I know. btw -- I don't see Turtle as just a data format. Its a data representation language that can also moonlight as a format :-) > > Andy > > > -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder & CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
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