- From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 08:43:40 +0200
- To: Andy Seaborne <andy.seaborne@epimorphics.com>
- Cc: public-rdf-wg@w3.org
Andy, On May 31, 2011, at 19:28 , Andy Seaborne wrote: > >>>> Modelling everything at a very fine grained level moves the burden on >>>> to the application. >>>> >>>> c.f. RDF containers and collections. >>> >>> >>> Conditionally, yes. It would only arise when language tags are used. >>> Most strings do not use language tags. > > 1/ We find that there can be very lang-tag intensive datasets. For example, data from Wales. > > 2/ Don't we have a new variability to deal with: > > <s> skos:altLabel > [ a rdf:LinguisticExpression; > rdf:language "bar"; > rdf:value "foo"] . > > <s> skos:altLabel "foo" . > > > And > > { <s> skos:altLabel ?altLabel } > > get us back to same problems of RDF collections and a round trip to get the next step in the information (assuming skolemization). > >>> The question is, IMO, whether the benefit of fixing the equivalences >>> between RDF strings is worth the pain to be experienced by users of >>> language tags in this context. *Personally* I would rather query the >>> above pattern than need to guess whether a string is a plain literal >>> or a language tagged string or an xsd:string. > > Not sure it's a guess unless we do nothing. At least they are all a single RDF term that can be queries then inspected. > > People here seem to want a datatype for all literals. > > If every plain literal now has a datatype, xsd:string or rdf:LangString (or other name), and use LANG knowing that rdf:LangString means use LANG to ask further i.e. Value space of ("foo", "en"). > > rdf:lang-{langTag} requires dereferencing to get the language (or IRI mangling but maybe some invented a different IRI - no unique names here!) Just to check my understanding; what you are saying is: - if one goes along the lines originally proposed by Richard, ie, using rdf:LangString (or some similar name) then any SPARQL query involving a language becomes a bit cleaner because one can use lang(?v) in a FILTER or (in SPARQL 1.1) in an AS; whereas - if one defines a series of rdf:Lang-{langname} then queries (or applications) will have to fiddle around interpreting the URI-s. And that is quite a compelling argument against rdf:Lang-{langname} to me, I must admit Ivan > > Andy > > >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> >>> >> > ---- Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ mobile: +31-641044153 PGP Key: http://www.ivan-herman.net/pgpkey.html FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
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