- From: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:25:56 -0500
- To: public-rdf-wg <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>
I'm still having trouble following the discussion due to ambiguity of terms. But I don't want us to argue about terms at this stage. So I'd like to propose some temporary terms. They are intentionally a little quirky and not suitable for use in our final specs. Instead, they are meant to be short and unambiguous and relatively memorable. At the end of this email, I try to connect them to other people's terms. Here they are: 1. A "g-box" is a container, like a "set" data structure in programming. It holds some RDF arcs, with their nodes. (Alternatively, it holds some RDF triples.). G-boxes can overlap, sharing some of the same nodes and arcs. Two g-boxes can happen to have the same contents (right now) while being distinct g-boxes. G-boxes contents can change: today a particular g-box might contain the triples { my:a my:b _:x. my:a my:c _:x }, and tomorrow it might instead contain { my:a my:b _:x. my:a my:c2 _:x }. 2. A "g-snap" as an idealized snapshot of a g-box; it's a mathematical set of RDF arcs, with their nodes. (Alternatively, a mathematical set of RDF triples.) Like g-boxes, g-snaps can overlap, sharing nodes and arcs. Unlike g-boxes, it makes no sense to talk about g-snaps changing: they are defined to be exactly the collection of their elements. If a g-snap were to "change" it would simply be a different g-snap. If two g-snaps have the same nodes/arcs, they are really the same g-snap. The contents of a g-box at any point in time are a g-snap. 3. A "g-text" is a particular sequence of characters or bytes which conveys a particular g-snap in some language (eg turtle or rdf/xml). If you can parse a g-text, you know what is in the g-snap it conveys (except blank nodes, as discussed below). You can tell someone exactly what is in a particular g-box at some instant by sending them a g-text. (You send them the g-text which conveys the g-snap which is the current state/contents of that g-box.) Are those terms and descriptions clear enough? Are there edge cases they are missing? Now, about URIs: * A g-box can exist without any name or persistent way of referring to it; it can exist as a data structure in a running program, or I suppose it can exists in someone's mind. Long-lived g-boxes probably SHOULD be given a preferred single working URL, but there might be times when you do don't want to give it any, or when you want to give it several URLs. * You can convey a g-snap with a g-text, but I don't think you usually want to name them with URIs. Sometimes you want to put a g-snap into a URI, but that's rare, since in many cases g-snaps are too long for most URI-handling software. For constrained applications, though, where overrun is unlikely or okay, you can embed a g-text somewhere in an http URI (eg, as a query parameter), or maybe use "data:" URI. And blank nodes? I think it works like this: * Two g-snaps can contain the same blank node. A simple example of this is to take a g-snap containing at least one blank node, then construct another by adding the triple { my:a my:b my:c }. The original g-snap and the one resulting from the union both contain the same blank nodes. * By a similar argument, I believe two g-boxes can also contain the same blank node, although not all software will support this. Given a g-box A, I could construct A' to contain whatever A contains and also { my:a my:b my:c }. This happens sometimes in real programs; I'd be curious to know which RDF APIs disallow sharing blank nodes between their graph-storage instances; my experience is they allow it when it's not a problem (eg they are both in memory right now). * In general, while g-texts do convey g-snaps, they do not identify the blank nodes in them. So, in fact, if you go g-snap A --> g-text --> g-snap A' A=A' only if it does not contain blank nodes, because parsing a g-snap results in all-new blank nodes. We might define new RDF syntaxes which allow for several g-texts to be grouped in such a way that blank nodes can be shared between them. This is an issue for our work item, "Either [the turtle] syntax or a related syntax should also support multiple graphs and graph stores." How's that sound? Make sense? Okay, relating to other people's terms... "Tokens", as I read today's email, seem to mostly be g-texts but sometimes be something that can change over time, and thus be a container for a g-text, something we might call a "g-text-box". I think this later meaning conflates things in a way which will cause problems, eg for understanding content-negotiation. "Graphs" in the RDF Semantics are g-snaps. "Named Graphs", as in SPARQL 1.0, are g-boxes which happen to each be assigned a URI. "Graph Literals", as suggested by N3 (and disagreeing with Nathan, sorry), are a feature of an RDF syntax that allows you to denote a g-snap by a special kind of term (a "graph literal"). In n3, it looks like: { _:x my:says { _x: foaf:name "Sandro Hawke" } }. One can approximate this with every RDF syntax by using a suitably-defined URI scheme or datatype, such as: { _:x my:says "_:x <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/name> \"Sandro Hawke\""^^my:turtleCode } This isn't as convenient as the N3 approach, and doesn't doesn't allow blank nodes to be shared (in the second example, the _:x's are not connected), but it does work in existing RDF syntaxes. I'd better stop now. -- Sandro
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