Re: peace, and next steps / agenda

On 12/20/11 6:45 PM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
>> I will resign from the WG as of today.
> Please stay, Pat.
>
> Everyone:
>
> I know this group can be very frustrating.  We've been going around in
> circles on this topic for a long time, with no sense of progress and no
> clear end in sight.
>
> Sometimes it feels very personal.   We get grumpy, and sometimes it
> affects our word choice.  It can come from very real slights -- someone
> else not doing their homework, someone else not studying one's work like
> they probably should have -- or from entirely accidental ones.  And, of
> course, veiled hostility tends to amplify and become unveiled, as it
> goes back and forth.   I find usually when I'm furious in a WG, if I
> take a break for a few hours or days, when I come back, one of us has
> come to their senses.   Usually, my faith in the others in the group is
> rewarded.
>
> W3C wisdom for when a group is lost is to return to the use cases.  I
> usually like to jump ahead, at least to test cases, but I see that's not
> working here.  So, I think we'd best go through the use cases [1] one at
> a time.   Talk it out until we understand it, come up with one or more
> designs that work well for that particular use case.   After a few use
> cases, maybe we'll be able to start generalizing.   But, at first, let's
> make sure we write down some designs that we believe will work for that
> use case, and figure out what standards would be needed.  So, at very
> least, we'll be making some kind of measurable progress through the use
> cases.
>
> Chairs, please consider this an agenda request for tomorrow's meeting.
>
> I think in order to talk about a particular use case, we need at least
> one person willing to present it and answer questions about it, on the
> call. I'm happy to volunteer for some of them in January, but I'd
> rather not present at tomorrow's meeting, since I'll unfortunately need
> to be doing some multitasking.
>
> One alternative is to do breakout sessions for this -- have 2-4 people
> per use case come to consensus about designs for it.  With 12 people on
> the call, most wont be able to be engaged.
>
>      -- Sandro
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs-UC
>
>
>
>
+1

Pat: please stay on.

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