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Re: Cycles

From: Steve Harris <steve.harris@garlik.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:19:52 +0100
Cc: Ian Davis <ian.davis@talis.com>, RDF WG <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <406180F8-6305-4FC4-AFA8-8F40D1151E4B@garlik.com>
To: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>
I don't have anything to add to Dan's note, but I agree 100%.


- Steve

On 2011-08-26, at 08:30, Dan Brickley wrote:

> On 25 August 2011 01:23, Ian Davis <ian.davis@talis.com> wrote:
>> Perhaps a little light relief :)
>> I came across this after Danny Ayers linked to one of his
>> contributions to the thread.
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2002Nov/0003.html
>> Best read by squinting so the letters X,M,L look like J,S,O,N
> Well, quite.
> The RDF community has a distressing tendency towards syntax-envy,
> always looking jealously at the greater adoption levels enjoyed by
> other syntaxes. Unfortunately the issue will never be fixed by making
> (some version of) RDF look more like the most currently fashionable
> data syntax. Our problems are deeper: XML and JSON can be prettier
> because that's all there is to them. Unlike RDF, they're not a mapping
> from a concrete syntax to a different, invisible, abstract data-model.
> Sure there are canonical abstractions (Infoset/DOM etc.), but there is
> not the same mis-match between how-it-looks and how-it-works that RDF
> tends to bring to the table.
> The idea of pushing work into syntactic-schema annotations has been
> around almost as long a RDF, but never caught on. Our only
> standards-track effort in that direction, GRDDL, doesn't seem widely
> loved (although
> http://search.cpan.org/~tobyink/JSON-GRDDL-0.001_00/lib/JSON/GRDDL.pm
> remains intriguing).
> While we can always do more work to improve things on the syntax
> front, I feel it's often used as an excuse for deeper, subtler
> problems that face RDF adoption, and that some more careful
> investigations into RDF usability might repay the investment.
> In http://www.slideshare.net/danbri/when-presentation-849447 I touched
> on three mini post-mortems for situations where RDF was used and
> rejected, or where we'd have expected it to be used, and it wasn't. In
> none of those situations was syntactic elegance a major consideration;
> rather, it was working with RDF 'as RDF' and its available tooling
> that caused the problems. RDF tools continue to improve, but even if
> we come up with the most beautiful and elegant XML^H^H^HJSON syntax
> for encoding RDF, there's much more to working with RDF than merely
> parsing it.
> cheers,
> Dan

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