Re: RDF* and conjectures

> On 2021-09-23, at 14:49:58, Fabio Vitali <fabio.vitali@unibo.it> wrote:
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>> On 23 Sep 2021, at 13:34, James Anderson <anderson.james.1955@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On 2021-09-23, at 12:59:58, Fabio Vitali <fabio.vitali@unibo.it> wrote:
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>>> Now let's come to named graphs. This situation is better from the syntactical point of view, since graph syntax is actually quite reasonable, but worse from the semantic point of view, since there is none accepted. 
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>> is one to understand "none accepted" in the same sense as you described having understood "do not know"?
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> in its etymological sense, none meaning 'not one': there is no single semantics approved. Zero or eight, both capture the idea behind 'none accepted'. I believe we can agree on this. 

we are sceptical of the rhetorical consequence.
both chambers and the oed equate "not one" with "not any" in their principle entries for "none".
which leaves "zero" only.

would "no single universally agreed upon" be the notion you seek?
there is one which appears in the approved sparql recommendation.
that it is not universal does not mean it is not effective.

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> From my (admittedly, limited) perspective, and limiting myself only on what is relevant to me, i.e., the truth value of the content of a graph, it seems that overwhelmingly the concrete attitude is that the content of a named graph is stated just as the content of the outside (the default graph). YMMV. 

is it possible to relate the statements that "the content of a named graph is stated just as the content of the outside (the default graph)" to the sparql's treatment of its target dataset?

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> So what we lack is a syntax and a semantics for non-stated graph content.

the prevailing commentary concerning rdf-star to the contrary, there is no such thing as a non-stated graph.
that notion is on par with that the default graph has no designator.
there are graphs which are within the extent of a target dataset and there are graphs which are not.
everything else - to reflect your metaphor, is a hall of broken mirrors.

best regards, from berlin,

Received on Thursday, 23 September 2021 20:16:01 UTC