- From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:37:55 +0200
- To: W3C RDFa task force <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
RDF in XHTML Task Force
22 Oct 2009
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Oct/0044.html
Previous:[3]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html
See also: [4]IRC log
[4] http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-irc
Attendees
Present
Manu Sporny, Shane McCarron, Ben Adida, Mark Birbeck, Ivan
Herman
Regrets
Steven Pemberton
Chair
Manu Sporny
Scribe
manu
Contents
* [5]Topics
1. [6]Action Items
2. [7]Next steps for RDFa
3. [8]Discuss and approve Shane's errata text
4. [9]Test Cases
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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Action Items
<scribe> ACTION: Manu change test suite to use Exclusive Canonical
XMLLiteral tests [recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]
[CONTINUES]
[11] http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action05
Ivan: I raised some questions on mailing list -- what's the view of
future RDFa plans.
... What do we want to do/publish?
... I'd like to know the plan.
<scribe> ACTION: Manu speak with Andy Seaborne about SPARQL.org
implementation re: c14n [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
[CONTINUES]
[12] http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action06
<ShaneM> harness at
[13]http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
[13] http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
<ShaneM> oh. no. not that one!
Manu: bug with Jena, working with Andy Seaborne to figure out what's
wrong
[14]http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/test-suite/
[14] http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/test-suite/
Manu: That's the new test harness with XHTML1, HTML4, HTML5
<scribe> ACTION: Shane to re-draft XMLLiteral errata text [recorded
in [15]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action04]
[CONTINUES]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action04
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to update JS xmlns getter code on implementors'
guide for xhtml mime type support [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action02
Next steps for RDFa
Mark: A couple of different things
... The basic question of prioritization...
... Javascript/DOM API, @profile, etc.
... What are our motivations?
... and where will this work be done?
... A bit of frustration because we don't know where we're putting
the work.
... Hampering new ideas and innovation because we don't know where
to put the work.
... Could we put a couple of new things into the HTML+RDFa draft
without damaging anything?
... Should we try to address HTML+RDFa issues?
Shane: Read through the thread - I think that there are some
procedural issues...
... From a publication perspective, we wanted existing REC to remain
relevant as a base spec.
... Possible to introduce things in HTML+RDFa level, we don't want
XHTML+RDFa to get out of step with HTML version
... Don't know if we can do radical changes to CURIE processing.
Ivan: Procedural issues - putting on my admin hat...
... WG charter stops at end of the year, for the time being we don't
know what would replace it.
... We have discussed an IG or a WG for RDFa.
... There are two major stumbling blocks to address with RDFa WG..
... If the work this group would do is exclusively HTML... then
there will be push-back to make this group as purely under HTML WG.
... Other stumbling block is that this TF is mostly Invited
Experts... will be difficult for W3C management to accept a WG
filled with mostly Invited Experts.
... We could issue edited REC of RDFa - where we try to fold in all
the errata.
... I don't think that this group will have the time to do much more
than that.
Ben: Who should we submit this feedback to?
... A bit concerned about the difficulty in creating a WG for
technology that has been clearly adopted by Google/Yahoo.
... How do we ensure that W3C is reflecting actual usage.
Ivan: You should raise that point as an AC rep.
... We should try to see which W3C members would be interested in
joining the RDFa WG.
... Yahoo! is back as a member now, so I would hope that Peter might
want to join.
... Who else?
... I won't be at TPAC, unfortunately - Thomas Roessler will be
there, so he will talk with Raman and Peter, maybe.
... If we have enough momentum, we can come up with a charter for an
RDFa WG.
Manu: Why don't we commit to going forward with an RDFa WG?
Ivan: We need at least one more member to be interested.
... We have to be careful in the charter - we are not doing this as
HTML - work items must be included that are not HTML-specific.
... The RDFa attribute set can be used in non-HTML/XML dialects as
well.
... Perhaps, RDFa Core 1.1 should be a charter item.
<scribe> ACTION: Ben, Ivan and Manu to draft an RDFa WG and move
that initiative forward. [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]
<scribe> ACTION: Ivan to talk with Peter Mika at ISWC2009 about RDFa
WG. [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to finish authoring RDFa WG charter. [recorded
in [19]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
<scribe> ACTION: Manu to try and find other interested parties in
RDFa WG. [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]
Ivan: We should mark up the RDFa WG charter in HTML
Mark: quick suggestions for new members of RDFa WG - Linked Data
community
... OpenLink - Virtuoso
... Gov2 stuff - maybe they would be interested in joining.
Discuss and approve Shane's errata text
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009O
ct/0010.html
[21]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Oct/0010.html
Manu: Any objections to approving this erratum?
Ivan: What does the current XHTML spec say about attribute values?
Shane: It defers to HTM4, which is case insensitive.
Ivan: Ah, yes.
Manu: Any objections?
Ivan: +1
<ShaneM> +1
<markbirbeck> +1
<benadida> +1
RESOLUTION: Include XHTML+RDFa erratum on case insensitivity for
attribute values:
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009O
ct/0010.html
[22]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Oct/0010.html
Test Cases
[23]http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/test-suite/
[23] http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/test-suite/
Manu: TC 134
... This is affected by the resolution we just made... upper-case
attribute values for things like rel="NEXT" should generate a
triple.
Ivan: Looks okay to me
Manu: +1
Shane: +1
<benadida> +1
Mark: We might want to change the URL to something that makes more
sense like, [24]http://example.org/next
[24] http://example.org/next
<ShaneM> Looks good to me
RESOLUTION: TC 134 approved
Manu: Moving on to TC 140
... Do all of us agree that this markup shouldn't generate a triple
... This should be a negative test and should have documentation
stating that it is negative.
Mark: Should we make this use BOUND?
... or NOT BOUND?
Manu: Rather not change the way we do negative tests right now,
could change it in the future.
<ShaneM> +1
<ivan> +1
Manu: Any objections to passing TC 140?
<markbirbeck> +1
Manu: +1
<benadida> +1
RESOLUTION: TC 140 approved
Manu: TC 142
Shane: This is a bit pathological, but that's fine...
Mark: If you wanted to make statements about XML, this would be
fine.
... Can you have an element that has <xml:test>... in RDF/XML?
<markbirbeck> ?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<markbirbeck> <rdf:RDF
<markbirbeck>
xmlns:rdf="[25]http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"
[25] http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns
<markbirbeck> xmlns:rdfs="[26]http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#"
[26] http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema
<markbirbeck> xmlns:xhv="[27]http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab#"
[27] http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab
<markbirbeck> xmlns:xml="[28]http://www.w3.org/XML/1998/namespace"
[28] http://www.w3.org/XML/1998/namespace
<markbirbeck> >
<markbirbeck> <rdf:Description
rdf:about="[29]http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/test-suite/test-cases/x
html1/0142.xhtml">
[29]
http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/test-suite/test-cases/xhtml1/0142.xhtml
<markbirbeck> <xml:test>Test</xml:test>
<markbirbeck> </rdf:Description>
<markbirbeck> </rdf:RDF>
Ivan: Strictly speaking, this is illegal...
Shane: I think it's reserved, not illegal.
<scribe> ACTION: Shane to look at XML spec and see if xml: is
illegal in RDF/XML re: TC 142 [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
Ivan: regrets for next week
... I will be at ISWC - let me know if you guys have any ideas on
who to talk with about RDFa.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to finish authoring RDFa WG charter. [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Ivan to talk with Peter Mika at ISWC2009 about RDFa
WG. [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Manu to try and find other interested parties in RDFa
WG. [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Shane to look at XML spec and see if xml: is illegal
in RDF/XML re: TC 142 [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to update JS xmlns getter code on
implementors' guide for xhtml mime type support [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Manu speak with Andy Seaborne about SPARQL.org
implementation re: c14n [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Shane to re-draft XMLLiteral errata text [recorded
in [37]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Manu change test suite to use Exclusive Canonical
XMLLiteral tests [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action02
[36] http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action06
[37] http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action04
[38] http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action05
[End of minutes]
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