Re: RDFa and Microformats

Hello all

Please forget any of my proposals for making RDFa more Microformats 
aware, It will never work,

Last question If its such a disaster using a single property from RDFa 
@content, why is it NOT a disaster when it comes to re-using a whole 
Microformats vocabulary in RDFa. http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio.

Manu Sporny wrote:
> Martin McEvoy wrote:
>   
>>> If there are "hacks", please enlighten me because I am unaware of there
>>> being any and I would certainly want to fix them if they exist.
>>>
>>>       
>> I don't think you can Manu. The damage has been done already.
>>     
>
> So, this discussion has taken a rather nasty turn:
>
> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2008-September/001800.html
>
> I'm removing myself from the discussion since the poster has become
> overly aggressive and is currently attempting to crucify me in the
> Microformats community.
>   
Yup Me too this discussion does not belong here

For the interest of this community seeing as Manu here has neglected to 
tell you all

Here Is an email I sent to him earlier this evening

> This is off list Manu
>
> Martin McEvoy wrote:
>> Manu Sporny wrote:
>>> Martin McEvoy wrote:
>>>  
>>>> Talking of  "hacks" why is this NOT a "hack" :
>>>> http://wiki.digitalbazaar.com/en/HAudio_RDFa? it looks like a 
>>>> direct rip
>>>> from the Microformats wiki,
>>>>     
>>>
>>> That's because it started out as a direct rip from the Microformats 
>>> wiki
>>>   
>> it still is
>>> - the fact that it is so close to hAudio was deliberate. The intention
>>> was to create a cross-community vocabulary that would work for people
>>> jumping between RDFa and Microformats. 
>> what people?  hAudio is not yet even a draft proposal, and all these 
>> Publisher were Jumping around between vocabularies, that's 
>> interesting show me where?
>>> The outcome of that research was
>>> this:
>>>   
>> By the W3C, the Microformats Community...?
>>> http://purl.org/media/audio
>>>
>>> The Audio RDF Vocabulary above has a clean/direct mapping to/from
>>> Microformats hAudio.
>>>   
> Yo may be wandering about all the retaliation about "audio rdfa" Manu 
> when you Microformats New mailing list with hAudio RDFa  you received 
> little support for your endeavour, in fact it was explicitly stated that:
>
>> --- this is one of the things that microformats wants to prevent...
>>   
> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-July/000716.html 
>
>
> basically because it causes a "drift" in semantics. you received no 
> feedback from the list because we didn't want you to do it. you read 
> Brian's email right?  it was an incidental concern.
>
> It goes a little further than that,  basically Manu You ripped the 
> hAudio Microformat against the wishes of the Microformats Community 
> and thus seriously damaged the haudio process in fact you almost 
> killed it dead. if I could have stopped you I would. lets get hAudio 
> out the door first eh!
>
> I request that you refrain from Editing the hAudio wiki further until 
> I can be sure you are not serving your own needs.
>
> I cant believe you became an invited expert over your efforts. how did 
> you deserve that.
>
> I will be adding Myself as Editor on the Version 1.0  format, because 
> I don't have some other agenda other than completing haudio.
>
> Manu If you Ignore this email like you seem to conveniently do, I will 
> post this email to the list because I think you will be ignoring me 
> and I really would like some answers this time publicly or privately .
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Martin McEvoy

I later added  after:

> Martin McEvoy wrote:
>> I will be adding Myself as Editor on the Version 1.0  format, because 
>> I don't have some other agenda other than completing haudio.
> In fact forget that its not very diplomatic, I will Invite Tantek, or 
> Brian to edit the 1.0 version of hAudio they are the two admin's that 
> have had the most input in haudio, haudio may gain a little of its 
> credibility in this way, and I think that it is the best.
>
> I will be emailing the admin's airing your total disregard of 
> microformat's principles, and of the damage you are causing the 
> Microformats Community, in particular hAudio 
> http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio and currency 
> http://microformats.org/wiki/currency to which you had no hand in 
> authoring.
>
> I will CC you the email in the next few days.
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Martin McEvoy 
> -- manu
>
>

Received on Tuesday, 16 September 2008 01:21:04 UTC