Re: HTML in RDF

Mark Birbeck wrote:
> Hi Bent, Karl...the list. :)
> 
> This is very interesting discussion, but it actually pertains more to
> RDF than to RDFa. Is there somewhere better that anyone can suggest
> that we could move the discussion to?
> 

SWIG (semantic-web@w3.org)?

Ivan





> I'm keen to continue it, since this is actually one of the use-cases I
> was hoping to work on when I first got involved with the XHTML 2 work,
> but I'm also wary of frightening the life out of anyone who has come
> to this list looking for chat about RDFa. :)
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 29/10/2007, Bent Rasmussen <incredibleshrinkingsphere@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Karl
>>
>> That was the old (malformed) example, based on a misunderstanding of Turtle
>> semantics. The newer example was structured so that rdf:value attaches
>> element content to an element (doesn't have to be rdf:value of course),
>> rdf:List maintains element content ordering; hopefully I "got" Turtle now.
>> Attributes are unordered and just attached to the element node directly via
>> regular properties.
>>
>> The idea I have is to capture the entire portal as RDF, including form
>> posts. That requires, at first, an HTML <=> RDF bi-directional
>> transformation. I'll make a taxonomy akin to the DOM one to make querying a
>> bit more interesing. Then the deam would be to have an editor directly work
>> on top of the RDF datamodel so only RDF => HTML will be necessary past that
>> point. This editor will enable different kinds of annotations to the text
>> which can be exposed to the user in the rendered HTML ("D", or "Ajax").
>>
>> Of course RDFa could also be used to capture some information, but I'd like
>> to maintain a full RDF model all the time. Not sure all the opportunities it
>> opens, but I'm pondering...
>>
>> I'm not sure I get the parser ordering issue. Whilst RDF graphs are not
>> intrinsically ordered, it would be very disappointing to me if it was
>> somehow not useful to semantically capture ordering. That's the reason for
>> rdf:List, right?  I get the open world assumption, but
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Bent
>>
>>
>> 2007/10/29, Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org>:
>>>
>>> Bent Rasmussen (27 oct. 2007 - 03:37) :
>>>>       h:p rdf:value (
>>>>         h:text rdf:value "It has to be possible!"
>>>>       )
>>>>       h:p rdf:value (
>>> …
>>>
>>>>  Ordering is preserved where necessary.
>>> I'm worried because specifically a graph is not done to preserve
>>> ordering. So that will break going from parsers to parsers.
>>>
>>> What is the benefit to express everything in RDF?
>>> What is the specific use case you have in mind?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> 

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