Meeting Record: Data Access Working Group Meeting 19 Dec from Eric Prud'hommeaux on 2006-12-29 (public-rdf-dawg@w3.org from October to December 2006)

From: Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:58:50 +0100
To: my dawgs <public-rdf-dawg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20061229135849.GI4870@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes



   [1]W3C 

                                  DAWG Weekly

19 Dec 2006

   [2]Agenda

   See also: [3]IRC log, [4]previous weeks's minutes

Attendees

   Present
          LeeF, sdas2, AndyS, SimonR, ericP, [IBMCambridge]

   Regrets
          kendallclark

   Chair
          LeeF

   Scribe
          ericP

Contents

     * [5]Topics
         1. [6]Convene
         2. [7]Review ACTION Items
         3. [8]Test suite process
         4. [9]rq24 status and timetable
         5. [10]test reporting format (to EARL or not to EARL)
     * [11]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________________

Convene

   next meeting: 2 Jan

   next scribe: SimonR

Review ACTION Items

   <scribe> ACTION: KendallC to close formsOfDistinct issue [CONTINUED]
   [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action01]

   <scribe> ACTION: KendallC to remember that the wee, lost filter tests
   should be put [CONTINUED] [recorded in
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action02]

   <scribe> ACTION: PatH to change the entailment section around to talk
   about SPARQL first, then more general conditions in a normative
   appendix [CONTINUED] [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action03]

   <scribe> ACTION: ericP to seek clarification on
   [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2006N
   ov/0004 [CONTINUED] [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action04]

   <LeeF> Jeen on the test suite process:
   [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/020
   5.html

   <scribe> ACTION: EricP to sort out some string literal thing for the
   operator table [ed: this action is about text for simple literals and
   xsd:string and text for RDFterm-equal] [CONTINUED] [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action05]

   <scribe> ACTION: Jeen propose test suite process (not do it all).
   [DONE] [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action06]

   [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/020
   5 -> Jeen's proposed test suite process

   <scribe> ACTION: LeeF to review rq24-algebra [DONE] [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action07]

   [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/020
   6 -> LeeF's review of rq24 algebra

Test suite process

   LeeF: we have lots of unapproved tests that are not distinguished from
   those next to outdated ones
   ... we discussed CR exit criteria where we had at least two
   implementations that implemented each SPARQL "feature"
   ... assuming still need this, we need to record up front what the set
   of "features" is
   ... then assign tests some set of features

   SimonR: what do when we have more than one right answer

   ericP: One way to handle it is to avoid tests with more than one
   answer

   SimonR: what about a graph with inference capabilities

   LeeF: those tests fall under either SPARQL extensions, or the closed
   graph is known

   <ericP> +1

   <sdas2> +1

   AndyS: want test core SPARQL first things in SPARQL. not focus on
   extension points
   ... would like to put your [ericP's] classified extended SPARQL
   queries in the back of the queue
   ... don't want extra-core features on the critical path

   LeeF: if i were doing the tests, i would prefer explicit
   classification

   <SimonR> I'm not complaining about focusing on non-extended SPARQL or
   only tests which permit only a single correct answer. I'm just
   checking that we're doing this deliberately and consciously.

   <LeeF> Very deliberately :-)

   ericP: i want to make sure that test be able to have more than one
   feature
   ... propose that we annotate tests with features

   SimonR: we already have URIs for features from the document section
   headings

   ericP: reasonable thesis, but needs testing

   LeeF: reluctant to make such a decision without Jeen

rq24 status and timetable

   LeeF: re protocol test suite, Elias says "no worries"

   mince!

   <LeeF> sorry :)

   i heard lots of hiss, then got booted. assumed hiss must of been my
   leave music

   [23]rq24 algebra
   [24]Lee's rq24 algebra review

   LeeF: main points:
   ... 2 snaps up
   ... need connections to grammar

   LeeF: soln modifiers could be more explicitly tied to concrete syntax
   ... as a reviewer, endorse adoption into rq24

   AndyS: Jeen said he may find time for comments, but no commitment

   Souri: hope to review by Jan 9

   ACTION: Souri to review
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/rq24-algebra by 9 Jan
   2007 [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action08]

   LeeF: any words from Pat re rq24-algebra?

   AndyS: said it looked OK a couple weeks ago.

   LeeF: i know of no major issue stumbling block decisions
   ... need:
   ... Souri's review
   ... PatH's entailment text
   ... decision on algebra around mid Jan
   ... merge into rq24
   ... need end to end reviews from WG
   ... would like LC WD decision around 1st week of Feb
   ... want a short-as-possible LC, then CR
   ... then back to CR
   ... then test suite work and exit criteria
   .

   ACTION: LeeF to pester PatH about entailment text [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action09]

   LeeF: will review outstand issues and hope that the new rq24 will
   address those issues
   ... for example, FredZ's issues from the end of the summer
   ... will ask Elias to do the same with the protocol doc
   ... 2 months ago there were 3 small issues which raised no pulses
   during a WG meeting
   ... would like all (3) to go to LC/CR at the same time
   ... any thoughts on issues that i haven't address?

   <AndyS> HP supports that outline plan.

   LeeF: speak now or forever hold your peace^H^H^H^H^H^H^H still welcome
   to raise in the future

   <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask if that makes LC content assumed to
   be CR content?

   AndyS: you expect the LC and the CR are as close as possible?

   LeeF: yes, as close to byte-wise as the comments will allow

   AndyS: summary above indicates the test suite work is serial. can do
   that stuff in parallel

test reporting format (to EARL or not to EARL)

   [28]EARL
   [29]pretty EARL pics from an Algae run

   ericP: I'd like to suggest we use EARL as a reporting vocabulary for
   the results of implementation test runs

   SimonR: What about the XUnit [ed: is that right?] XML format? There
   are a lot of existing tools that we could use for that.

   SimonR: (I think EARL would be cool) speaking as devil's advocate,
   what about XUnit?

   AndyS: are they solving the same problem?

   SimonR: report results of runs of tests

   NUnit for .net, JUnit for java

   <LeeF> DUnit for DAWG!

   <LeeF> SPUnit for SPARQL!

   <LeeF> ok, sorry, i'm done.

   ACTION: SimonR to look at .Unit [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action10]

   <ericP> .+Unit?

   ADJOURN

   <AndyS> Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone from the UK

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: LeeF to pester PatH about entailment text [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action09]
   [NEW] ACTION: SimonR to look at .Unit [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action10]
   [NEW] ACTION: Souri to review
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/rq24-algebra by 9 Jan
   2007 [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action08]

   [PENDING] ACTION: ericP to seek clarification on
   [35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2006N
   ov/0004 [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING] ACTION: EricP to sort out some string literal thing for the
   operator table [ed: this action is about text for simple literals and
   xsd:string and text for RDFterm-equal] [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING] ACTION: KendallC to close formsOfDistinct issue [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action01]
   [PENDING] ACTION: KendallC to remember that the wee, lost filter tests
   should be put [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING] ACTION: PatH to change the entailment section around to talk
   about SPARQL first, then more general conditions in a normative
   appendix [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action03]

   [DONE] ACTION: Jeen propose test suite process (not do it all).
   [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action06]
   [DONE] ACTION: LeeF to review rq24-algebra [recorded in
   [42]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-minutes.html#action07]
     _________________________________________________________________


    [43]Eric Prud'hommmeaux
    $Id: 19-dawg-minutes.html,v 1.2 2006/12/29 12:41:59 eric Exp $

References

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   3. http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-dawg-irc
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