- From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:16:40 -0600
- To: "Seaborne, Andy" <andy.seaborne@hp.com>
- Cc: RDF Data Access Working Group <public-rdf-dawg@w3.org>
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 08:37, Seaborne, Andy wrote: > -------- Original Message -------- > > From: Alberto Reggiori <> > > Date: 19 March 2004 08:58 [...] > > provenance/attributions seem to be a key aspect to consider for the > > success of the whole RDF and associated query languages stuff - anybody > > else agree on this? > > I agree that in the overall swemantci web architecture > provenance/attributions are going to be important and that it is very > significant for query in the long run. I don't think that means we/DAWG > must address it in order to get a rec done that helps many people and > systems. I think that is huge benefit in a "simple" rec that helps toolkit > builderd provide the same capabilities (they can confidently invest time in > building a quality implementation); it helps application writers be able to > access different sources without needing to adapt their applications to the > details of a particular source, and it helps end users by allowing them to > use their apps with many data sources. Yeah verily! A number of us said, in our introductions to the WG, that we'd like to get something simple done soon. Let's follow that up with use cases that focus on the very simple conjuctive query that we all *know* deserves W3C Recommendation status ASAP. My not-so-secret goal is Candidate Rec in six months. To do that, we need to stick to functionality that we've already coded. Twice. i.e. one or more of us has done the prototype, thrown it away, and built it for real. We have time to figure out what to do with the arbitrary differences between the implementations we've got (i.e. one implementation uses a comma where another used a period; one supports integer add and one does float) and to spell-check our spec, set up a test harness, and that's about it. In the CR phase, we can flesh out the test suite and evaluate whether this minimal functionality is too minimal to be useful; i.e. whether that set of features should go to REC as version one, or whether we need to add more features before advancing. Our charter calls for Proposed Recommendation in June 2005. http://www.w3.org/2003/12/swa/dawg-charter#schedule Let's aim for that to be Proposed Recommendation of version 2, with some of the more interesting features... let's polish our provenance design while we're in CR on the first version, i.e. while the marketplace is solidifying. In the WebOnt WG, we distinguished requirements from objectives. Requirements were just that: the WG agreed that the design isn't done unless it meets the requirements. Objectives were things that everybody agreed would be nice, but we weren't guaranteeing we'd get them done in this version. Provenance doesn't look like a requirement to me. Of course I think it's interesting and key to the future. I spend a lot of time researching it and doing advanced development with it. But it doesn't looke like part of the so-called "minimum required to declare victory." That might look like an opinion that goes beyond the chair's neutral role. In some ways, it is: the chair also has some technical leadership rights and responsibilities. But in other ways, I'm just advising the group on how to get what you said you want in your introductions. -- Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ see you at the WWW2004 in NY 17-22 May?
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