Re: Turtle data-type

On 5/29/13 1:29 AM, Henry Story wrote:
> On 28 May 2013, at 21:41, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/20/13 11:39 AM, Henry Story wrote:
>>> In Turtle there is no way of specifying a graph (other than through reificiation which
>>> is understood to be broken).
>> Why is reification assumed to be broken? I think the perception is that its cumbersome due to data bloat. Like blank nodes, this is a feature of RDF that's often misunderstood and then in the process maligned.
>>
>> Reification is the powerful mechanism for granular descriptions of triples (statements) without exiting existing RDF semantics.
> It does not do quotation the way we need it.
>
> I want to express the following:
>
> Laura Lane believes that Superman is a Hero .
> Superman is Clark Kent .
>
> With the suggested notation .
>
> lane:Laura believes """@prefix ...
>     super:man a Hero .
> """^^lang:Turtle .
> super:man owl:sameAs kent:Clark .
>
> With reification
>
> lane:Laura believes _:b .
> _:b rdf:subject super:man ;
>      rdf:relation rdf:type ;
>      rdf:object Hero .
> super:man owl:sameAs kent:Clark .
>
> Now since owl:sameAs allows substitution of identicals salva veritate,
> it follows from the reification example but not from the quotation example
> that Laura Lane believes that Clark Kent is a Hero.
>
> You can argue that is not broken because it is not the same as quotation
> and it just does something else, and that would be fine.

Yes.
>
> But we need the quotation mechanism, for many use case. It is not bringing any new
> semantics into RDF in any case: it's just asking for a notation to
> express what you can already express. We'd just like a standard notation
> for something as important as this. defining lang:Turtle as a datatype,
> with a well known w3c url.

I am not opposed to the above, I was just saying that reification isn't 
broken i.e., it does have utility re., statement description :-)


Kingsley


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