Re: Defining a SQL fragment?

Harry, Juan:
The SQL spec is very large and you need to pay money to get it.  I have 
a courtesy copy  that,
unfortunately, I cannot share.
The other problem is that the list of features in the Core covers many 
pages.
I'll see what I can find on the Web
All the best, Ashok


Harry Halpin wrote:
>> Why don't we agree on SQL08 Core?  This is what every compliant RDB
>> vendors MUST support.
>> All the best, Ashok
>>     
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> That would be fine with me. Do we have a pointer to a URI for it?
>
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>> Harry Halpin wrote:
>>     
>>>> Harry,
>>>>
>>>> On 19 Jul 2010, at 15:42, Harry Halpin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>> The fragment of Datalog that we need to use for the mapping language
>>>>>> has a simple syntax and a semantics that can be easily understood, so
>>>>>> it is a good alternative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> The other topic would be to see if this SQL fragment would be a good
>>>>> starting point for the SQL-based approach as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> I don't understand the purpose of defining a SQL fragment for the SQL-
>>>> based approach as part of this WG's work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> I guess my concern was "portability" of SQL and the desire of some
>>> people
>>> in the WG (Eric) to use RIF and/or SPARQL constructs to do the mapping.
>>>
>>> The concern was that "full" SQL might not be portable amongst vendors,
>>> so
>>> if there's just a black box with arbitrary SQL between angle brackets in
>>> R2ML it might not be portable. We brought the idea of referencing the
>>> SQL
>>> ISO Spec up with the W3C, but there was some disagreement as they aren't
>>> publically available and that vendors just implement them differently.
>>>
>>> However, it seems that disallowing "full vendor-specific SQL" is also
>>> probably a bad idea. So...what to do? I think for ETL purposes language
>>> could have 4 parts. Each except 3) is optional.
>>>
>>> 1) Full vendor specific SQL to create a view
>>>
>>> 2) A portable subset of SQL to create a view
>>>
>>> 3) Mapping of that view to a default graph
>>>
>>> 4) Possibly running RDF-to-RDF transforms here (RIF).
>>>
>>> I think Marcelo and Juan were wondering if steps 2-4 had a common core
>>> that could be thought of semantically as Datalog.
>>>
>>> But if people choose 1) then they just have to know that R2ML will not
>>> guarantee portability. 4) and 2) can be optional.
>>>
>>> What this does not bring up is what eric and soeren were really wanting
>>> to
>>> do earlier as well, which was SPARQL->SQL mappings. I was hoping that
>>> could be covered by Datalog as well. But maybe algebraically...
>>>
>>> However, before descending into the black hole of semantics and options,
>>> Im'm happy to agree to get a rough-draft out on 1) and 3) if people
>>> can't
>>> agreee on 2) and 4).
>>>
>>>
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>>>> I think there is a clear desire to allow full SQL in a compliant
>>>> implementation of the SQL-based approach. This is at least what I
>>>> gather from Souri's and Orri's comments. I can not remember anyone
>>>> making an argument that only a restricted SQL fragment should be
>>>> allowed in the SQL-based approach.
>>>>
>>>> Can you please explain, or point me to the discussion that motivates
>>>> the need for restrictions in the allowable SQL in the SQL-based
>>>> approach?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Received on Wednesday, 21 July 2010 17:17:52 UTC