- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 13:43:04 +0200
- To: public-rax@w3.org
See
https://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-rax-minutes.html
and below as text. Next call will be in two weeks at 2 p.m. CEST, 8 July.
- Felix
[1]W3C
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RAX CG
24 Jun 2016
[2]Agenda
[2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rax/2016Jun/0007.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-rax-irc
Attendees
Present
axel, bernat, christian, cristoph, felix, john, labra_,
philr, sergey
Regrets
florent
Chair
Christian
Scribe
fsasaki
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]roll call
2. [6]intro
3. [7]action points
4. [8]topics to cover
5. [9]aob
* [10]Summary of Action Items
* [11]Summary of Resolutions
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roll call
checking attendees ...
intro
christian: welcome to the call, agenda has been sent out
... will look at action points, then use cases
... start with new members intro
sergey: working for wolters kluwer
... I am solution architect, involved in semantic search
implementation
axel: at Univ. economics & business in Vienna
... doing semantic web research for 10-12 years
... was involved in paper with christian and felix in joint
paper that also helped to create this CG
... involved in creation of XSParql, technology to combine RDF
and XML processing
christoph: from univ. bonn, Fraunhofer IAIS, several years
exprience of translating XML > RDF
... want to develop something that works for as many XML input
formats as possible
... deploying this in natural language analyis and industrie
4.0 exchange formats
johnS: working for mark logic
... implementing semantic features in mark logic in the last
years
... seeing interesting use cases around the combined use of XML
and RDF
<clange> Links to software mentioned previously:
[12]http://xsparql.deri.org/,
[13]https://github.com/EIS-Bonn/krextor
[12] http://xsparql.deri.org/,
[13] https://github.com/EIS-Bonn/krextor
johnS: working on technology to reflect RDF data out of the
document, without any invisible change
... looking for collaboration related to XML and RDF
bernat: working at @@@, small start up
... working on a new presentation of the bible, for combining
the information we need combination of XML and RDF processing
... output format is also some kind of XML
... so we need roundtripping between XML and RDF
action points
christian: want to gather informaton about existing tools etc.
... florent created github organization to gather the info
... now we need somebody who can add the info
felix: propose to have 1-2 admin people and then everybody
allow to add content
christian: so florent + I will be admin, others can add stuff.
That is a starting points
<AxelPolleres> shall we use proposals in the W3C way, i.e.
PROPOSED: … ?
<scribe> ACTION: florent to allow everbody to add content to
the rax github repo and have himself and christian as admin
[recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-rax-minutes.html#action01]
[14] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-rax-minutes.html#action01]
topics to cover
christian: the group desription says: we want to cover concrete
things
... chairs got two inputs
... both were addressing the data transformation back and forth
(roundtripping)
... we need to make process as smooth as possible
... transformation question will always arise
<AxelPolleres> data transformation … side note: interesting
issue is the one concerning blank nodes in scripts (which
currently re-surfaces in the SPARQL-dev list, BTW) anybody
having an eye on that here?
christian: another input yesterday from Martynas, see
[15]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rax/2016Jun/000
8.html
[15] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rax/2016Jun/0008.html
about an RDF/XML extension
<AxelPolleres> RDF/XML in quads, interesting … what about
JSON-LD is JSON-LD already quad/namedgraph ready?
scribe: also the XML Prague paper
[16]http://archive.xmlprague.cz/2016/files/xmlprague-2016-proce
edings.pdf#page=133
[16] http://archive.xmlprague.cz/2016/files/xmlprague-2016-proceedings.pdf#page=133
axel: about the quad in RDF/XML or json-ld etc. - is that in
scope too?
christian: json is in scope too
axel: a lot of discussion going on in the sparql-dev list on
sparql features
... core of issue has to do with blank nodes
... also something we may look into
<AxelPolleres> on this EXISTS blank node issue, here a link to
the discussion…
[17]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sparql-dev/2016
AprJun/0039.html
[17] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sparql-dev/2016AprJun/0039.html
felix: may make sense to separate in discussion the use cases
and tools, because there is a m:n relation between them
christian: we need another round yet to get more details on the
proposals, also collect more information
... I will share the input with the group and beyond, and ask
them to share input - what they have
... concerning tools etc.
... we collect that in 10 days and structure that, so that we
better know what topics to tackle
felix: propose to have a template for use cases and also for
tools, to make gathering easier
christian: makes sense, will provide that tuesday next week -
feel free to provide info before
<scribe> ACTION: christian to provide use case and tool
templates to the group [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-rax-minutes.html#action02]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-rax-minutes.html#action02]
aob
christian: last call we decided that suggestions of new topics
/ use cases etc. should be shared first with the chairs - but
maybe it is better to share directly with the group
... the group will not be overwhelmed. so if something comes up
you fill out the template and send it to the group
+1
<philr> +1
<labra> +1
bernat: can we use github for this?
christian: yes, part of the process, but for a new idea just
sending a mail should be ok
bernat: ok
christian: next AOB topic - please promote the group, within
your organisation and beyond
... see this as a role to do that actively
... promote the group at conferences etc., so that the network
grows
... last point: BDVA meeting, input from felix
<clange> I'll be at EDF, CU there. (Do we have a list of EDF
participants?)
<philr> I will also be there
john: on areas of work - for mark logic documents and XML and
HTML are still the "forgotten part" of RDF
... RDF was designed to be built on top of docs
... so need to take the link between docs and RDF into account
... there is a fair amount of work to be done to augment sparql
<clange> (With RDFa a bit of this view came back into
mainstream)
john: often people want to find documents looking at RDF, or
the other way round
felix: so retrieval scenario involving RDF and XML at the same
time?
john: a friend used the fact that there was RDFa markup in HTML
- at the same time he processed parts of the document content
... you need a system that can handle both RDF and docs at the
same time
<clange> I'm also very much interested in this and have done
previous research in the field of combining documents and RDF;
cf. e.g.
[19]http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/content/ontologies-and-
languages-representing-mathematical-knowledge-semantic-web
(application domain was STEM)
[19] http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/content/ontologies-and-languages-representing-mathematical-knowledge-semantic-web
john: you don't want to be forced to add (RDFa) labels to
tables - you just want to be able to fetch the tables
john, very interesting use case.
christoph: at fraunhofer we are involved in the industrial data
space initiatve, e.g. helping companies to exchange data
... in this context we are looking into industrie 4.0, there
are a lot of XML standards
christioph: we are working on re-implementing some of the
standards in RDF - that needs translations between XML and RDF
felix: preservation of XML workflows was emphasized by john - I
think that is very important
<clange> Industrial Data and Service Space:
[20]http://www.industrialdataspace.org/ (secure information
exchange, digitisation, data sovereignty). Currently a German
national project, but there's a movement to scale it to the EU
level
[20] http://www.industrialdataspace.org/
christoph: sure
john: depending on how we design things, an approach can fulfil
multiple purposes
bernat: a third perspective on translation: creating a document
from an RDF data store
... e.g. generate HTML from RDF data - this is also part of RDF
to XML or SVG etc. conversion
christian: thanks to all, next call will be in two weeks time,
and then 2 p.m. CEST
... today was an exception
... minutes will be made available, I will send the template
next week
... have a nice weekend, adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: christian to provide use case and tool templates
to the group [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-rax-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: florent to allow everbody to add content to the
rax github repo and have himself and christian as admin
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-rax-minutes.html#action01]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-rax-minutes.html#action02
[22] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-rax-minutes.html#action01
Summary of Resolutions
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