- From: Gregg Kellogg <gregg@greggkellogg.com>
- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:46:26 -0700
- To: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
- Cc: Tao Lin <taolin.bnuep@gmail.com>, ivan@w3.org, scorlosquet@gmail.com, gregg@kellogg-assoc.com, lindstream@gmail.com, public-qa-dev@w3.org
On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> wrote: > On 04/18/2013 10:20 AM, Tao Lin wrote: >> Thanks for you replay! Could you please help me with the further >> questions below? > > Sure, answers below... > >>> * Include a large number of schema.org examples in a way that >>> doesn't complicate the web interface. For example, see the >>> Microdata markup for the following: http://schema.org/Movie - We >>> would like examples for almost every schema.org class that there >>> is. >> >> You know that schema.org contains the examples in Microformat >> instead of RDFa. We don't need to deal with Microformat, do we? > > The examples are in Microdata format. No, we don't need to deal with > Microdata. > >> I can transform the examples from Microformat into RDFa by my hands, >> not by coding using a "Microformat to RDFa" library. Is that your >> idea? > > One of the things that you could add to the project, or provide in a > "stretch goal" (something that you would work on after all other work > has been completed) is creating a tool to convert Microdata to RDFa. > There is a very simple algorithm for doing this, essentially it is a > search/replace of attributes. So, you could write a simple JavaScript > library for doing this. > > You could also translate the examples by hand. What you do is up to you. > If it were me, I'd write a small library to do the conversion. That > should take about 1-2 days at most. I believe there are already RDFa versions of the schema.org examples at https://github.com/scor/schema-org-rdf/tree/master/examples/rdfa. We use them for the structured data linter <http://linter.structured-data.org/>. Gregg >> There's a type hierarchy for "Thing" [1] in schema.org, which >> contains super types and their sub types. Shall I make the examples >> for just the leaf ones, just the root ones, or both (i.e. there would >> be hundreds types in all)? > > Just the leaf nodes, and remember that you don't have to do all of them. > Just start out with a few important ones like People, Places, and > Events. Ideally, you would automate the process so that it would be easy > to cut/paste and do the entire conversion that way. It would also be > useful if others could submit different examples through the website. > >> For example, CreativeWork > Article > ScholarlyArticle > >> MedicalScholarlyArticle, shall I make 4 examples (i.e. 1 for each)? > > Ideally, there would be one example for each, but to start, just pick > things that would be most helpful to people on the Web. For example, > marking up Articles and ScholarlyArticles would be more important than > CreativeWork (too generic), or MedicalScholarlyArticle (too specific). > > Creating a mechanism that would allow other people to submit their own > markup that could be integrated into the tool would be very helpful. > >> I find that some types contain the examples, but not all of them >> (e.g. http://schema.org/DataCatalog). I need to create the examples >> for Datalog myself. Is that true? Or shall I just use all of the >> examples that schema.org provides without creating new ones? > > Start with just using the examples that schema.org provides without > creating new ones. > >> All of questions are related to the workload of the GSoC project. It >> would be quite different for the project plan with 50 examples or >> with 500 ones. I think it's better to estimate it beforehand. What do >> you mean by "a large number of examples"? Is that useful for the RDFa >> play tool to make a example for each one? > > The expectation for the GSoC project is 25-40 examples. The hope is that > you can create a system that allows others to submit code examples for > other vocabularies as well. > >>> * Create a tinyurl/permalink service to make it easier to link to >>> examples. See 'permalink' here: http://json-ld.org/playground/ >> >> Is the service a server-side one (e.g. PHP) or just some client-side >> javascript codes? > > The shortlink service for JSON-LD is not what we want for rdfa.info. > json-ld.org uses a client-side implementation that results in URLs that > are very difficult to cut/paste. > > The shortlink service for RDFa should create links where the input data > is stored in a local database file (sqlite). There should be a timeout > for the links after which the link and data should be removed from the > database. The shortlink URLs generated should look something like this: > > http://rdfa.info/play/7fh3 > >> If it's the former one, can you show me the server-side codes of >> permalink service of json-ld playground (in github?)? > > Here it is: > > https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/blob/master/playground/playground.js#L348 > > but that's client-side not server-side. > >> What programming language does it use, PHP, JSP or something else? > > PHP. The server is Apache running on Linux. > >>> * Add a "template-mode" to the playground where developers can pick >>> from a template like a Person, Place, or Event, fill in fields for >>> the object and have the HTML auto-generated for them. >> >> I can basically understand the idea. But can you show me some >> similar websites/tools/examples, especially for the UI design? > > Something like this, but with a much slicker UI: > > http://microformats.org/code/hcard/creator > > You will want to look at LinkedIn and the tools it provides people to > edit their LinkedIn profiles. > >> It's great to provide the functions of collapsing/expanding nodes >> for the complex large graphs. However, if our RDFa examples are just >> small demos with a few nodes, it would not be helpful indeed, I >> think. > > Agreed. > >>> We would have to read in RDFa from the HTML input box, then use >>> the JSON-LD library to convert the RDFa to JSON-LD, and then >>> display the JSON-LD in an more readable way for Web developers >>> (without using CURIEs, for example). This would require you to: >>> >>> 1. Create a few new JSON-LD contexts for popular vocabularies like >>> schema.org. 2. Create a JSON-LD syntax highlighter for CodeMirror. >>> 3. Create the glue code to go from RDFa (using the Green Turtle >>> library), to JSON-LD. There are examples of how to do this online. >> >> Actually, I'm very familiar with JSON-LD. It took me a few days to >> study the specification of JSON-LD. Not sure whether I can do it >> this summer. It seems that there would be other W3C GSoC projects >> for JSON-LD. If so, I'm happy to work together with the other >> students who are more expertised in JSON-LD, to complete this task >> cooperatively. If not, and it's an urgent task, I'll see what I can >> do. What do you think? > > Sounds great. You're doing a great job so far. :) > > -- manu > > -- > Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny) > Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. > blog: Meritora - Web payments commercial launch > http://blog.meritora.com/launch/
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