Re: [minutes] 2020-10-13 join meeting of IDCG and PWECG as part of TPAC 2020

Thank you for scribing Coralie, and thank you to everyone who was there.


On 14/10/2020 07:42, Coralie Mercier wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> The minutes of yesterday’s joint meeting are available:
>    https://www.w3.org/2020/10/13-idcg-minutes.html
> 
> Text version:
> =============
> 
>             Joint meeting of the IDCG and PWECG, part of TPAC
>                             13 October 2020
> 
>     [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.
>        [2] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/blob/main/2020-10-13_joint-PWECG-IDCG-meeting.md
>        [3] https://www.w3.org/2020/10/13-idcg-irc
> 
> Attendees
>     Present
>            Barbara, boazsender, chaals, Coralie, hober, Jeff,
>            Jes_Daigle, Jory, judy, Léonie, Ralph, Rhian,
>            Sheilamoussavi, Simon, Susanne_Konig, Tzviya, wendyreid,
>            ZoeBijl
>     Regrets
>            wseltzer
>     Chair
>            Léonie, Tzviya
>     Scribe
>            koalie
> 
> Contents
>      1. [4]Introductions
>      2. [5]CEPC training plan
>      3. [6]IDCG issues that have a PWE angle
>           1. [7]Review our terminology #15
>           2. [8]Create inclusive language references #17
>           3. [9]Create WG welcome emails #19
>           4. [10]Create group specific info pages #20
>      4. [11]Review of IDCG issues
> 
> Meeting minutes
> 
>     Léonie: Welcome everyone
> 
>    Introductions
> 
>     [Thanks everyone and welcome!]
> 
>     [let's use the zoom hand up feature, rather than q+]
> 
>    CEPC training plan
> 
>     Leonie: in addition to CEPC training we're interested in
>     determining any other sort of training
> 
>     Tzviya: We have begun training in PWECG with an agressive plan
>     … pilot session two weeks ago
>     … invited a few people from W3C team, CGs, to offer feedback
>     … a week from today, a CEPC training will be orgnized (e-mail
>     invitation will be sent today)
> 
>     <zcorpan_> Simon Pieters, Bocoup
> 
>     <boazsender> Boaz Sender, Bocoup
> 
>     Tzviya: "what can I do as a by-stander", not a training about
>     ombuds
>     … it's the beginning of our efforts
>     … we're looking at developing proper training
>     … Jory has also developed a conflict de-escalation training
>     module
> 
>     Jeff: training is in a week at 1600 UTC
>     … after the W3C AC Meeting session
> 
>     Judy: We want to reach the global community of W3C
>     … which is thousands of people
>     … so we'll do several sessions and turn the training into a
>     video
>     … some part of the interactive mode TBD for the video
> 
>     <tzviya> for reference [12]https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/
> 
>       [12] https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/
> 
>     ====
> 
>     Leonie: the second part of our agenda is an open floor
>     … for suggestions for other trainings
>     … from IDCG, the idea of diversity training came up
>     … we were fortunate to have consultation from Kim Crayton
>     … I'm sure there are other suggestions
> 
>     Tzviya: a few questions came up from conversations in PWE
>     … how to make sure any training is international
>     … this group today is very western
>     … we're talking about inclusiveness
>     … and want to appeal to the entire W3C
>     … scaling to cultural differences
>     … aiming for useful training around the world
>     … No matter how good our diversity efforts are if we don't make
>     people feel welcome
>     … so what can we do in that regard?
>     … and what training can we develop in those areas?
> 
>     Sheila: Talked with Dom about open breakouts
>     … we talked about a "facilitator training"
>     … this applies to any events
>     … includes making sure anyone is familiar with code of conducts
>     … so efforts to make those more accessible
>     … "micro-aggression" training
>     … is an opportunity where we could have facilitation
>     collaboration
> 
>     WendyR: I love that idea, Sheila
>     … the facilitator training would be a great place to start for
>     W3C Chairs as well
>     … to smooth things over
> 
>     <Judy> [JB: PWE Wiki, training section: [13]https://github.com/
>     w3c/PWETF/wiki/PWE-Roadmap#training ]
> 
>       [13] https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/wiki/PWE-Roadmap#training
> 
>     Léonie: taking my chair's hat off
>     … is there need for some training to recognise problem
>     situations?
> 
>     <chaals> [+1 a focus on chairs is a good approach for W3C]
> 
>     Léonie: as much as training to deal with situations?
>     … e.g. would I be able to recognise a micro-aggression?
>     … so maybe in some areas, taking a step back to understand
>     people understand the problems.
> 
>     <chaals> [I would bet that not everyone around W3C knows what a
>     microaggression is]
> 
>     Jeff: Returning to Tzviya's idea to be more welcoming globally
>     … I had a thought
> 
>     <Judy> Here's one reference for microaggressions: [14]https://
>     en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression
> 
>       [14] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression
> 
>     Jeff: whether we would be interested in taking on an ambitious
>     project of writing down a guide
>     … to have an inclusive community
>     … we're talking about training chairs
>     … have we written down the issues?
>     … there's a lot more to it, cultural elements
>     … just as we have a PWE doc, we should have an effort for being
>     welcoming
>     … it probably takes a lot of work to do it right.
> 
>     Judy: With regard to Jeff's comment
>     … he's suggesting an action
>     … I'm thinking partly another one of the many actions for IDCG
>     … that have no one backing them up
>     … so worth capturing
>     … and perhaps capturing volunteers with it.
>     … or stick it on the list for later
> 
>     Leonie: first step could be to open an issue in the IDCG
> 
>     Judy: Go for it, Jeff, the repo awaits.
> 
>     Jeff: OK.
> 
>     <jeff> [15][New IDCG issue raised to create a Guide for global
>     inclusions
> 
>       [15] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/32]
> 
>    IDCG issues that have a PWE angle
> 
>      Review our terminology #15
> 
>     <tink> [16]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/15
> 
>       [16] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/15
> 
>     Leonie: " Review our terminology #15" is an open issue in the
>     IDCG that may have a PWE angle
> 
>     Tzviya: summary
>     … suggestion to review documents and policies
>     … e.g., the phrases such as "master" on GH
>     … and there's been efforts to change that
>     … there's some discussion about colours in CSS and SVG
>     … pronouns are also being discussed
>     … for usage in specs
> 
>     Leonie: some progress already
>     … systems team made changes to templates and the like
>     … Denis has also made changes to the pubrules editorial
>     guidance
>     … W3C has been around for over 25 years, so there may other
>     places to look at
> 
>     Zoe: about pronouns
>     ... I spent some time years ago looking at the HTML5 spec
>     … it uses a lot of "him/he"
>     … I never ended up submitting my review for various reasons
>     … on the subject of preferred vs. personal
>     … my pronouns are mine, so they're preferred.
>     … just throwing that out there.
> 
>     Léonie: thank you
>     … good to hear from different perspectives
> 
>     Simon: on gender in HTML std
>     … this was changed in 2015
> 
>     <zcorpan_> [17]https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/405
> 
>       [17] https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/405
> 
>     Simon: I can put a link in IRC ^^
>     … it started with a PR in December 2015.
> 
>     Zoe: Interesting
>     … I looked in 2017 or 2018
>     … but that was the W3C spec
>     … that may be where the discrepancy comes from
>     … thanks for sharing that.
> 
>     <zcorpan_> (current gender balance in the HTML standard:
>     he/him/his: 29. she/her/hers: 31. they/their/theirs: 761 )
> 
>     <tzviya> [18]https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/
>     Style#Personal_pronouns
> 
>       [18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Style#Personal_pronouns
> 
>     Léonie: follow-up question:
>     ... the Education and Outreach has done some work re: pronouns
>     … if I understood correctly their conclusion
>     … is to avoid use of pronouns altogether
>     … refer to person's name
>     … I struggle with this personally as this feels like avoiding
>     the issue
> 
>     Zoe: on the importance of pronouns and identity of people
>     … I don't think avoiding the pronouns at all is the right path
>     … but it's just my opinion
> 
>     chaals: A couple things
>     … I agree with Léonie and Zoe
>     … it feels weird to me
>     … in the issue we have specific comments
>     … my other point was re: Jeff's previous comment
>     … do we have a particular marker for what people need to keep
>     an eye on?
> 
>     Judy: there was a mention a few minutes ago that the W3C
>     version of the HTML5 spec wasn't updated
>     … we need to capture that need
> 
>     Ralph: there's only one document now
> 
>     Judy: With regard to the EO work
>     … they didn't want to use pronouns when using personas
>     … I'll check with Shawn if there are some misunderstandings
> 
>     Tzviya: I don't want to speak to what the EO doc says
>     … we want to make sure this speaks to the people
>     … this isn't just about pronouns
>     … "Alice and Bob" is often used
>     … that's not very international
>     … this is something an Equity Review Board could look at
>     [there's an open issue in IDCG for an ERB]
>     … the pronouns issue could be looked at in a broader way
> 
>     Leonie: other issues worth looking at?
> 
>     Tzviya: other terms, still on the topic, such as
>     "grand-fathering"
>     … there's a list that exists
> 
>     Léonie: Thanks, that would be helpful
> 
>     <Ralph> [ZoeBijl posts [19]https://www.selfdefined.app/ as a
>     resource]
> 
>       [19] https://www.selfdefined.app/
> 
>      Create inclusive language references #17
> 
>     <tink> [20]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/17
> 
>       [20] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/17
> 
>     Leonie: This comes from personal experience
>     … people struggle whether to say I'm blind or visually impaired
>     ... and even the entire community doesn't agree
>     … could it be useful to our community to come up with a few
>     guidelines?
>     ... making sure to make people feel welcome
>     … so getting the language right
> 
>     Wendy: is it worthwhile to create something custom when there's
>     already lots of materials out there?
> 
>     <tzviya> +1 to wendyreid
> 
>     Wendy: [21]https://www.selfdefined.app/ which Zoe shared in the
>     zoom chat is looking for contributors
>     … we could make reference to existing things that we know work
> 
>       [21] https://www.selfdefined.app/
> 
>     Léonie: huge +1 to not reinventing the wheel
> 
>     <chaals> [+1 to Wendy's suggestion that we use, and contribute
>     to as relevant, existing work rather than trying to start our
>     own on this]
> 
>     Judy: Let's capture that for curating
> 
>     Wendy: sure, taking it
> 
>      Create WG welcome emails #19
> 
>     <tink> [22]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/19
> 
>       [22] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/19
> 
>     [Tzviya introduces the issue]
> 
>     Tzviya: the idea is to get a template that each chair would
>     adapt to their groups
> 
>     Léonie: those here with experience in chairing WGs or CGs, any
>     thoughts?
>     … how much variation do we think there might be?
>     … or, those who would receive such messages, any thoughts?
> 
>     WendyR: As a Chair, I draft welcome emails
>     … I don't think they would widely range
>     … here's the link to our weekly call, our chat, our GH repo,
>     etc.
>     … whatever the group chooses to use is included
>     … and a summary of what we've been working on
>     … at the very end: please reach out to the chairs if you have
>     any questions
>     … that's universal, I think
>     … any group would benefit
> 
>     Léonie: Agreed
> 
>     Boaz: I'm looking at the guidebook
> 
>     <zcorpan_> [23]https://wpc.guide/
> 
>       [23] https://wpc.guide/
> 
>     Boaz: and I'm thinking about the FAQ we may have to write for
>     the open breakouts
>     … definitely, having an email template, but also a maintained
>     body of text
>     … that explains some of the basics, the conventions of groups
>     and the w3c community
>     … minuting, quueing yourself, etc.
> 
>     <Ralph> [we maintain [24]https://www.w3.org/Guide/ directly in
>     GitHub and welcome all proposals for improvement]
> 
>       [24] https://www.w3.org/Guide/
> 
>     Boaz: it might be repetitive for people who join several
>     groups, but I think it's OK.
> 
>     Léonie: I agree very much
> 
>     <Ralph> [right now I believe we have muiltiple versions, so few
>     versions will help those who participate in multiple groups :0
>     ]
> 
>     Judy: there are two audiences
>     … Chairs may be busy enough that they won't be looking for that
>     kind of info
>     … if we created the resource and spread it around
>     … we may also offer that as a separate training
>     … the topic of being welcoming and creating a sense of
>     belomging has come up in many of the IDCG calls
>     … along with de-escalation
>     … PWE could take up or jointly with IDCG
>     … and push it to chairs
> 
>     Tzviya: a lot of this reminds me of [25]https://github.com/w3c/
>     wg-effectiveness?

> 
>       [25] https://github.com/w3c/wg-effectiveness?
> 
>     <tzviya> [26]https://github.com/w3c/wg-effectiveness/blob/
>     master/process.md
> 
>       [26] https://github.com/w3c/wg-effectiveness/blob/master/process.md
> 
>     Tzviya: the TF has closed since then
>     … process for busy people was great
>     … it's laying there
> 
>     <boazsender> [27]https://github.com/w3c/wg-effectiveness/blob/
>     master/process.md
> 
>       [27] https://github.com/w3c/wg-effectiveness/blob/master/process.md
> 
>     Boaz: these breakouts are about to be put on the agenda
>     … the topics are things like inclusion and justice on the
>     internet
>     … and there's another one
>     … who are from people recruited from the P5js community have
>     led sessions for new people in W3C, and most people are most
>     interested in the nuances of IRC. People do not feel included
>     until they know how to backchannel in IRC community
> 
>     Boaz: "process for busy people" is not so much about creating a
>     safe space
>     … the framing is more fast-paced that it needs to be for doing
>     the work of welcoming somebody
>     … at the high-level, the work that's already there from Natasha
>     is a great place to look at
> 
>     <boazsender> [28]https://p5js.org/community/
> 
>       [28] https://p5js.org/community/
> 
>     <boazsender> koalie: p5.js is the name of the community, and
>     [29]https://p5js.org/community/ is their community statement
> 
>       [29] https://p5js.org/community/
> 
>     Léonie: any other business for this meeting, please let me know
>     … we'll add to the end of the agenda
> 
>     Judy: It would be interesting to take a tour of the issues on
>     the IDCG to pick up volunteers
> 
>     Léonie: We can
>     … but I'm always hesitant to do that on calls
>     … uncomfortable with putting poeple on the spot
> 
>     Tzviya: I agree with Léonie on that
> 
>     Léonie: we have twenty or more issues at the moment
>     … any ones in particular?
> 
>     Judy: I'll skim what we have at the break and pick 6
> 
>     Coralie: I volunteered to edit the process for busy people in
>     light of Process 2020. It's in my TODO.
> 
>     Zoe: regarding onboarding of new people
>     … I sometimes get asked and my instict is to send people to
>     start from the GH repo of that particular group
>     … it would be good to have something like that on the W3C
>     website
>     … right now we have [30]https://www.w3.org/participate/
>     … but it doesn't say how to get started
> 
>       [30] https://www.w3.org/participate/
> 
>     <BarbaraH> +1 we need a welcoming / FAQ
> 
>     Zoe: and I don't know if it's by design because we don't want a
>     lot of invited experts, if there's a lot of overhead
> 
>     <wendyreid> +1
> 
>     Zoe: nor if this is the right group to bring this up at
> 
>     [Jory arrives]
> 
>     Leonie: please open an issue on the IDCG repo
>     … so we have it to track
> 
>     [Susanne departs for another meeting]
> 
>     [Tzviya takes over chairing from Léonie]
> 
>     <tink> [31]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/20
> 
>       [31] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/20
> 
>      Create group specific info pages #20
> 
>     Léonie: This issue pertains to group pages
>     … related to the previous issue
> 
>     Tzviya: the idea is to help WG come up with better templates,
>     along with the website redesign
>     … welcome feedback here as well
> 
>     Judy: in addition to an updated template, we need a culture of
>     telling people what we're working on
>     … Zoe mentioned earlier they like to point people to GH
>     … to show that the issues are
>     … I think a human description is useful
>     … it seems there's a high-degree level of resistance
>     … we need to overcome that cultural barrier
> 
>     Coralie: that resonates
>     … the website redesign has some of that in scope
> 
>     Tzviya: I don't know if it's reluctance or people not knowing
>     what or where to share
>     … I've used the W3C Blog
>     … one area is to determine the best approach to communicate
> 
>     WendyR: A survey maybe?
>     … finding out how people get their information
>     … e.g. Twitter? member mailing list? wait for an e-mail from
>     the chair?
>     … there's a number of ways
>     … understanding where people are getting information from means
>     we can target
> 
>     [Coralie nods]
> 
>     Barb: I really like the roadmaps
>     … the media one; [32]https://w3c.github.io/web-roadmaps/media/
>     … any way we could improve the roadmap? could we standardize
>     how roadmaps are done?
> 
>       [32] https://w3c.github.io/web-roadmaps/media/
> 
>     Judy: I wish we could diversify how W3C uses roadmaps rather
>     than standardize them
>     … those work for specs to show what browsers deploy those
> 
>     <BarbaraH> [33]https://www.w3.org/Mobile/roadmap/
> 
>       [33] https://www.w3.org/Mobile/roadmap/
> 
>     Judy: I'd like W3C to show other things
>     … uptake
>     … not just the browser-only uptake
>     … they can be a great tool
> 
>     Boaz: I've seen some and they're useful
>     … in terms of the communication work
>     … I hear Chairs complain about having not enough time to do
>     their work
>     … so scope of maintining a micro-site for each group
>     … getting time from their employers
>     … this could be delegated, I don't know
>     … coming up with a plan
>     … to help get this done
> 
>     Tzviya: it's an important point
> 
>     Boaz: try to get buy-in
>     … for test-writing and general documentation, funding the work
>     is the question
>     … one thought would be to get buy-in from Members who are
>     sending people
>     … to support this extra 10-hour or so a month or whatever we
>     estimate this to be
> 
>     Coralie: The new wg pages that were recently released have been
>     designed in a way to make it possible for the staff contacts or
>     the chairs to supply those updates
> 
>     Tzviya: Documentation, please
>     … add website maintainer, or something, and build in to the
>     charter maybe?
> 
>     Boaz: I was going to ask actually how is an editor assigned
>     when a group is created?
> 
>     Tess: the process says that Chairs appoint editors
>     … in the CSS WG they prefer to come up with a group resolution
>     … so it's not just the Chairs
> 
>     Tzviya: sometimes it's obvious, sometimes you have to beg a
>     little bit
> 
>    Review of IDCG issues
> 
>     <Judy> [34]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues
> 
>       [34] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues
> 
>     <Judy> [35]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Draft-BLM-statement
>     .... which includes the following statement of thematic goals:
>     "W3C commits to take actions in the areas of learning,
>     messaging, outreach, creating a welcoming environment,
>     supporting participants, technical development, governance, and
>     continuous improvement."
> 
>       [35] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Draft-BLM-statement
> 
>     <Judy> Some of the issues are organized into thematic areas --
> 
>     <Judy> [36]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/
>     Learning-and-Discussion
> 
>       [36] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Learning-and-Discussion
> 
>     <Judy> Here's where you can find specific actions under this
>     theme, to help with: ....[37]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/
>     Learning-and-Discussion#sub-actions
> 
>       [37] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Learning-and-Discussion#sub-actions
> 
>     <Judy> [38]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/
>     Outreach-and-Messaging
> 
>       [38] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Outreach-and-Messaging
> 
>     <Judy> And here's where you can find specific actions under
>     this theme, to help with: .....[39]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/
>     wiki/Outreach-and-Messaging#sub-actions
> 
>       [39] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Outreach-and-Messaging#sub-actions
> 
>     <Judy> [40]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/
>     Making-W3C-More-Welcoming
> 
>       [40] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Making-W3C-More-Welcoming
> 
>     <Judy> Feel free to dive in anywhere, and let people know if
>     you'd like to participate on some actions...
> 
>     [Judy reads from the themes in the actions the proposed W3C BLM
>     statement includes]
> 
>     <wendyreid> Link to Kim's reponse: [41]https://www.w3.org/2020/
>     09/15-idcg-minutes.html#t01
> 
>       [41] https://www.w3.org/2020/09/15-idcg-minutes.html#t01
> 
>     Tzviya: We need a lot of help
>     … not all of us have the connections
>     … please suggest networks, please open issues, please discuss
>     with us
>     … and if you think we're on the wrong path, please say so
> 
>     Judy: when looking at us being too white, look at the
>     "outreach" theme
>     … please let us know how this is done in your orgs
> 
>     Barb: Grace Hopper virtual conference
>     … I did take notes on some of the actions they were doing to
>     encourage people of colour to participate more
>     … in summary:
>     … what W3C is facing is probably very similar to what other
>     orgs are facing
>     … beside reaching out, we may try to leverage what companies
>     are doing
>     … like Grace Hopper
>     … The secong thing about Grace Hopper
>     … was why diversity candidates were leaving
>     … the number one reason is that they don't think it's an
>     inclusive environment
>     … Finally, they had a wonderful open source day
>     … I'm going to challenge W3C to submit a session for next
>     year's Grace Hopper
>     … to get people to talk about the value of W3C
>     … how to participate, how it's a career enhancement
> 
>     Sheila: To Barb's 1st and 2nd point, what is going to be
>     challenging to recruit black folks
>     … is needing to tell what we've done
>     … and ours is a white space
>     … so, show things are needed
>     … equipping everyone to make the space more welcoming
>     … on ramps for beginners is one part
>     … actively countering the fact that ours is a white space
>     … I'd love to get a sense how to help in that space
>     … I had a question around the process to contributing to these
>     documents
>     … doubling-down on internal as we recruit
> 
>     Tzviya: if you have a GH account you can contribute directly
>     … I'd love to be in touch with you Sheila
> 
>     WendyR: I agree 100% with what Sheila just said
>     … we have 2 fronts of work
>     … external outreach to tell the world we need it and here's
>     what we're doing
>     … and actually do that
>     … there's not only the statements we might make, but there are
>     conferences, publishing our statement publicly and back it up
>     with actions
>     … so Grace Hopper is an example. CanQuick is another in Canada
>     … similar audience
>     … one thing I was wondering as conferences are great to get the
>     word out
>     … could this group work on a presentation of what the W3C is
>     doing
>     … so we can give the date to those who need
>     … basics and consistent message
> 
>     [Coralie nods]
> 
>     <BarbaraH> +1 on the value of W3C
> 
>     Boaz: I wanted to share a bit about the strategy for the open
>     breakouts
>     … as we're recruiting people of colour and from
>     under-represented communities
>     … Sheila made a great point we need a safe space
> 
>     [Jes drops to go to another meeting]
> 
>     Boaz: our strategy for the open breakouts in the interim is to
>     focus on a smaller community at TPAC
>     … where we can plan the breakouts to be safe spaces as we're
>     going to train the facilitators
> 
>     <Judy> IDCG Wiki on being welcoming: [42]https://github.com/
>     w3c/idcg/wiki/Making-W3C-More-Welcoming
> 
>       [42] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/wiki/Making-W3C-More-Welcoming
> 
>     judy: one other link ^^
>     … please comment on what you think is missing
>     … the CG meets every other week
>     … I'd love to stay in touch
>     … and make W3C more welcoming.
> 
>     Tzviya: Thank you very much everybody
>     … sorry to end so abruptly
> 
>     <BarbaraH> +1 on getting more info on the Boaz open breakouts
> 
>     Tzviya: we'll share the minutes from this meeting
> 
>     [adjourned]
> 
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