Re: URL maintenance Was: Seeking *opinions* as part of a larger research issue.

Which also leads us into the interesting discussion about whether books & documents should require a network connection or scripting and​ what do users think about their books/documents “phoning home”…

Leonard
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Subject: URL maintenance Was: Seeking *opinions* as part of a larger research issue.


EXTERNAL: Use caution when clicking on links or opening attachments.


I see this discussion has veered into the area of URL maintenance in ebooks.

A successor format  to EPUB could make this easier by requiring javascript support - then external links could be routed through an update file.

In the current environment, I've advocated use of a link server (like the DOI link redirector) to provide updated or context sensitive links (but that only relocates the maintenance issue, doesn't solve it!)


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On Jan 17, 2023, at 4:31 PM, Liam R. E. Quin <liam@fromoldbooks.org<mailto:liam@fromoldbooks.org>> wrote:

A URL in a long-lived document can have the problem that the original
owner stopped paying for it and it now serves malware or phishing
pages. So there can be security implications.

These can be avoided by using example.org<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fexample.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7C7dc02e0ac67e4c4b4f9e08daf8d4e2c6%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C638095890472036189%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Km6HzeBBXfUF51ZZ3YSw0z%2BHC0vMpTPrgizc0vwMccU%3D&reserved=0>, but if there's significance
in the text of the URL that likely doesn't work.

Yes, they should be marked up as code, not as links, as there's no
expectation of traversing them and they are not expressing a link
relationship between the context in which they are embedded and the
resource they may or may not represent.

So to some extent i think this follows from Web architecture and
probably the HTML spec.

liam

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