Re: [Minutes] Publishing Community Group Meeting - Aug 10, 2022

LOL, I was enjoying reading all the thoughts and it was a funny thing 
that this early morning I just read this news

https://westobserver.com/tech/the-man-who-built-his-own-isp-to-avoid-huge-fees-is-expanding-his-service/

And also thought could we have reddit thread for epub LOL. Anyway...

I few months ago I also found this one https://www.kiwix.org/en/ so I 
was thinking maybe some area would still have really good sideload 
(offline reading) experience since harddisk is way cheaper than before 
and this thread just reminded me about that.


When epub file size is getting really big (even tho not break spec) from 
my experience it brought 3 major issues:

1. CMS limitation - many CMS can not handle huge file.
2. reader (mobile app or e-ink, worse on e-ink) does not have large disk.

3. reading app became very slow. I once tried to use ibook open one 
200MB size comic and it was terribly slow. But when I resized to 30 MB 
then it's readable.


Cheers,

Zheng


On 2022-08-11 4:38 p.m., Paul Belfanti wrote:
> Fair.
>
> *Paul*
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 4:28 PM Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com> 
> wrote:
>
>     Universal connectivity is not something this group can solve though.
>
>     *Tzviya Siegman*
>
>     Information Standards Principal
>
>     Wiley
>
>     201-748-6884
>
>     tsiegman@wiley.com
>
>     *From:* Paul Belfanti <pbelfanti@gmail.com>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2022 3:38 PM
>     *To:* Colin Pittendrigh <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com>
>     *Cc:* Neustudio <susan@neustudio.com>; Leonard Rosenthol
>     <lrosenth@adobe.com>; Zheng Xu <zxu@wysebee.com>;
>     public-publishingcg@w3.org; public-epub3@w3.org; Teixeira, Mateus
>     <mteixeira@wwnorton.com>; Schindler Wolfgang Dr. <w.schindler@pons.de>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Minutes] Publishing Community Group Meeting - Aug
>     10, 2022
>
>     ⛔
>
>      
>
>     This is an external email.
>
>     +1 on universal/rural connectivity - that's affordable
>
>     Best,
>
>     *Paul*
>
>     On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 10:11 AM Colin Pittendrigh
>     <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         The solution to no connectivity is to make rural connectivity
>
>         On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 8:10 AM Colin Pittendrigh
>         <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>             I spent five years developing an online curriculum in
>             elementary computer programming on the Crow Indian
>             Reservation in Montana.  That curriculum failed because
>             none of the kids had internet connectivity at home.
>
>             On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 7:31 AM Neustudio
>             <susan@neustudio.com> wrote:
>
>                 I work in children’s publishing, and I suspect relying
>                 on external links would be a problem for families with
>                 no or low-quality internet connectivity. Though I”m
>                 intrigued by the idea of a use case where external
>                 links would allow more exploring/customizing a book
>                 when the setting supports data transfer.
>
>                 Since this is already allowed in the spec, what is the
>                 role of the work group?  —Susan
>
>
>
>                     On Aug 11, 2022, at 8:36 AM, Leonard Rosenthol
>                     <lrosenth@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>                     At the end of the day it’s up to the producer of
>                     the EPUB.
>
>                     If they want something fully self-contained, the
>                     standard will let them do that.  If they want
>                     something that use links to external content, the
>                     standard will let them do that.
>
>                     Of course, whether a given EPUB distribution
>                     system will support/allow external content or
>                     whether a given reading system will support it, is
>                     another question. But all of that is outside the
>                     scope of the standard.
>
>                     Leonard
>
>                     *From: *Colin Pittendrigh
>                     <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com>
>                     *Date: *Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 7:32 PM
>                     *To: *Zheng Xu <zxu@wysebee.com>
>                     *Cc:
>                     *public-publishingcg@w3.org <public-publishingcg@w3.org>,
>                     public-epub3@w3.org <public-epub3@w3.org>,
>                     Teixeira, Mateus <mteixeira@wwnorton.com>,
>                     Schindler Wolfgang Dr. <w.schindler@pons.de>
>                     *Subject: *Re: [Minutes] Publishing Community
>                     Group Meeting - Aug 10, 2022
>
>                     *EXTERNAL: Use caution when clicking on links or
>                     opening attachments.*
>
>                     RE> 750mb file size limit. Bear with me.  I'm a
>                     retired database guy.
>
>                     Why can't epubs be text only, with resource URLs
>                     to streamed images and video on remote servers?
>
>                     When I ask this question I'm invariably told "It
>                     won't work without a wifi connection!"
>
>                     My answer is "So what?" I'm almost never away from
>                     wifi unless I'm driving. And in that case I
>                     shouldn't be reading anyway.  Are you on a camping
>                     trip?  Read now, view video later.  Video is too
>                     big to store on a phone.  Video should be
>                     streamed. No matter what.
>
>                     On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 12:54 PM Zheng Xu
>                     <zxu@wysebee.com> wrote:
>
>                         Hi all
>
>                         Thanks for attending today's meeting.
>
>                         Here is today's meeting minutes.
>
>                         https://github.com/w3c/publishingcg/blob/master/Meetings/Minutes/2022-08-10-publishingcg.md
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>
>                         Please feel free to let us know if any
>                         questions or feedback.
>
>
>                         Cheers,
>
>                         Mateus, Wolfgang and Zheng
>
>
>                     -- 
>
>                     /* Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh >--oO0> */
>
>
>             -- 
>
>             /*  Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh  >--oO0> */
>
>
>         -- 
>
>         /*  Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh  >--oO0> */
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