Re: Minutes from EPUB.Next

I finished my career working the last 5 years on soft (NIH) money building
an online curriculum to teach elementary computer programming at Little Big
Horn College on the Crow Indian Reservation in Montana.

I did everything with HTML, Js, php, MySQL and Moodle.  Plus a little
Python. I wrote software that presented HTML so it looked and acted like a
book with ordered pages, TOC and lots of cookies to save various states,
like last read page. My plan was to use Lucene (Plucene actually) to make a
searchable index. But I retired first.  I still plan to write that. Perhaps
this Winter.


However.
Although most reservation kids do have phones they do not have internet
access at home    My courses needed to be in epub format so rural kids
could read and study at night.

I also discovered teaching anything in digital format benefits enormously
from embedded video.

So, for the online teaching context, I think epub needs to support the
streaming of external video resources. That was my 5 year conclusion.

Embedded video would work when they had wifi access (at school) but not
when they were at home. Sometimes is better than never

Some readers (Lithium for instance) do support iframe links to external
YouTube (or wherever) video. Others do not.



On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 3:31 PM Reid, Wendy <wendy.reid@rakuten.com> wrote:

> Colin, your comments are more than welcome, please share!
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> -Wendy
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> *From: *Colin Pittendrigh <sandy.pittendrigh@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 4:26 PM
> *To: *Ruth Tait <artbyrt@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>, "Siegman, Tzviya" <
> tsiegman@wiley.com>, "PBG Steering Committee (Public)" <
> public-publishing-sc@w3.org>, W3C Publishing Business Group <
> public-publishingbg@w3.org>, "public-publishingcg@w3.org" <
> public-publishingcg@w3.org>, "public-epub3@w3.org" <public-epub3@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Minutes from EPUB.Next
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> *Resent-Date: *Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 4:26 PM
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> *[EXTERNAL] *This message comes from an external organization.
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> Who can comment? I'm a 73 year I'll old retired unix server side
> programmer with epub as my retirement hobby.  I have ideas and comments but
> I'm not sure it's appropriate
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> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 1:36 PM Ruth Tait <artbyrt@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I’m not sure that the standards of design for web content and consumption
> of information correspond diametrically with those of epub content design.
> The experience of consuming epub content through a reader is so different
> as to be almost outside the scope of comparison (in my humble opinion).
> What makes more sense to the dissemination and update of epub is the basic
> twinning of the content object and the reader (much as with the use of
> Libby in library ebook loans) or ibooks (if it would stick closer to epub3
> standards for production).
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> I am speaking from my own bias but I cannot say that I like reading off of
> a computer monitor, no matter what app is delivering the content… but, I am
> very happy within a reader app on an ipad… because it is a simple and clean
> and it retains the book scope.
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> ruth tait
> https://www.artbyrt.com
> O: 613 604 2781
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> On Oct 28, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com> wrote:
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> Sorry I was unable to attend the meeting – too many other standards going
> on right now.   I did, however, have a chance to review the minutes –
> thanks to Tzviya for providing them.
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> Ignoring the incorrect information about PDF, its use as a document format
> and its ability to be made accessible (in compliance with national and
> international standards, including WCAG) – I did want to comment on the
> larger question about “Replacing PDF”
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> Andrew and Tzviya said it very well at the end of the meeting – people who
> are moving away from PDF for publications are moving to the web (aka
> HTML).  We’ve talked to many customers in many segments around the world on
> this particular topic.  What we learned is that they are choosing to do so
> for a variety of reasons including (but not limited to):
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> - They know what the web is (and the corollary, they don’t know what EPUB
> is)
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> - Everyone has a web browser (and the corollary, they don’t have EPUB
> Readers)
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> - They already have tools that produce HTML (and the corollary, they don’t
> have EPUB tooling or don’t know how to use it)
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> - They can easily update the material and ensure that recipients are
> always looking at the right thing.
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> So as mentioned by a number of folks – this group needs to figure out
> whether the goal is to provide a better reading/consumption experience “on
> the web” (aka in browser) **OR** to compete with PDF as a packaged format
> for “off the web” content distribution and consumption.   As others said –
> trying to do both isn’t working well for EPUB…
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> Leonard
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> *From: *Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 12:03 PM
> *To: *PBG Steering Committee (Public) <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>, W3C
> Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>,
> public-publishingcg@w3.org <public-publishingcg@w3.org>,
> public-epub3@w3.org <public-epub3@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Minutes from EPUB.Next
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> Hi All,
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> Thank you for attending our community meeting on 27 October.
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> Here are minutes https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-epub.html
> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2021%2F10%2F27-epub.html&data=04%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7C240fc1e0d03d4e5577b008d99a2c6af1%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637710337831636934%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=2A3GXAw1pvhmVUeBQ0FJu3GIPKX8BXKReeVI4BjBJpU%3D&reserved=0>
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> We plan another community-wide meeting in about 6 months.
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> Thank you,
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> Tzviya
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> *Tzviya Siegman*
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> Information Standards Principal
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> Wiley
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> 201-748-6884
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> tsiegman@wiley.com
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