- From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
- Date: Sun, 9 May 2021 12:13:37 +0200
- To: MURATA <eb2mmrt@gmail.com>
- Cc: George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>, Laurent Le Meur <laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org>, W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>, W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>, W3C EPUB 3 Working Group <public-epub-wg@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <157BB6FF-5C24-4B82-8E56-E80CB1307E80@w3.org>
> On 9 May 2021, at 12:11, MURATA <eb2mmrt@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ivan, > > Thank you. Do you plan to attend the JWG7 meeting? You are > the liaison from W3C to JWG7. I do not think so. Cheers Ivan > > Regards, > Makoto > > 2021年5月9日(日) 16:03 Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>>: > Hi Makoto, > > the answer I have received is that the agreement with JTC1 and is valid for any SC and WG in JTC1. W3C is qualified to PROPOSE moving EPUB 3.3 to be balloted as a JTC1 standard when it has reached Recommendation status. There is still a process to go through that ballot, which needs to be handled carefully so we do not lose editorial control, but these are details (and we have precedence). > > However, this is not for now; EPUB 3.3 is not planned to be a Recommendation before 2023, at least per charter. > > Cheers > > Ivan > > >> On 7 May 2021, at 13:05, MURATA <eb2mmrt@gmail.com <mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I have not seen the agreement between W3C and JTC1, >> but from what I have heard in SC34, PAS submissions >> from W3C appear to be maintained by JTC1 directly rather >> than SC34/JWG7. Is this true? >> >> Regards, >> Makoto >> >> 2021年5月7日(金) 19:11 <kerscher@montana.com <mailto:kerscher@montana.com>>: >> I agree, and I think to use the PAS process, the spec must be a recommendation. I do think it helps in adoption in some countries if it is an ISO spec. We might consider timing; if we believe EPUB 3.3 is going to make it to a rec, we can introduce the draft to ISO so that once it is a rec it will not take as long for it to be confirmed as an ISO standard. >> >> >> >> Best >> >> George >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>> >> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 2:25 AM >> To: Laurent Le Meur <laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org <mailto:laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org>> >> Cc: W3C Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org <mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>>; W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingbg@w3.org>>; MURATA <eb2mmrt@gmail.com <mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com>>; W3C EPUB 3 Working Group <public-epub-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-epub-wg@w3.org>> >> Subject: Re: ISO SC 34/JWG 7, new work item for digital publications? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 7 May 2021, at 10:15, Laurent Le Meur <laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org <mailto:laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Makoto is raising the good question; this is also what I felt seing the message from the ISO people, its meaning was more or less "Is JWG7 an empty shell"? >> >> >> >> If we look at it pragmatically >> >> - The work on the EPUB Accessibilty spec is done >> >> - The work on LCP is done (ISO TS 23078-2) >> >> - Web Publications is not a good candidate by lack of adoption >> >> - and we can also argue that W3C Audiobooks has not seen a sufficient adoption so far to be a good candidate. >> >> >> >> Therefore it seems to me that JWG7 is indeed an empty shell until EPUB 3.3 is a W3C recommendation. >> >> >> >> It indeed looks like it… and I am not sure whether and what we can do about it:-( >> >> >> >> Ivan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Laurent >> >> >> >> >> Le 7 mai 2021 à 09:40, MURATA <eb2mmrt@gmail.com <mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com>> a écrit : >> >> >> >> Ivan, >> >> >> >> Do we want to keep JWG7 alive? If we do not create >> >> new work items for JWG7, it will be disbanded eventually. >> >> EPUB 3.3 is not going to be a new work item for JWG7 in >> >> the near future. >> >> >> >> I would like to hear what people have to say. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Makoto >> >> >> >> 2021年5月7日(金) 15:49 Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>>: >> >> Makoto, >> >> >> >> yes, indeed, W3C can use the PAS procedure to publish, when the time comes, EPUB 3.3. The only thing I was saying that this was never really discussed so far and no decision has been taken It may be an issue that has to be picked up by the Steering Committee. We are well ahead of time here; after all, the REC version of EPUB 3.3 is still more than a year away… >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> Ivan >> >> >> >> >> On 6 May 2021, at 21:44, MURATA <eb2mmrt@gmail.com <mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Unlike IDPF, W3C can use the PAS procedure for creating >> >> an ISO/IEC standard, if my understanding is correct. This >> >> is a *big* change. It has impacts on the maintenance process >> >> as well. We should carefully study what has been agreed >> >> between W3C and ISO/IEC about the PAS procedure. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Makoto >> >> >> >> 2021年5月7日(金) 3:29 Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>>: >> >> >> Laurent, >> >> > >> > I suppose EPUB 3.3 will be proposed as an ISO standard when it is finalized. Is it the case? >> >> I don't think there is any decision or commitment on this. >> >> Ivan >> >> >> >> > By curiosity, is there any other *new* work item planned for ISO standardization? >> > >> > Best regards >> > Laurent >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> 慶應義塾大学政策・メディア研究科特任教授 >> >> 村田 真 >> >> >> >> >> ---- >> Ivan Herman, W3C >> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ <http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/> >> mobile: +33 6 52 46 00 43 >> ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704 <https://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> 慶應義塾大学政策・メディア研究科特任教授 >> >> 村田 真 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---- >> Ivan Herman, W3C >> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ <http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/> >> mobile: +33 6 52 46 00 43 >> ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704 <https://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> 慶應義塾大学政策・メディア研究科特任教授 >> 村田 真 > > > ---- > Ivan Herman, W3C > Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ <http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/> > mobile: +33 6 52 46 00 43 > ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704 <https://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704> > > > > -- > -- > 慶應義塾大学政策・メディア研究科特任教授 > 村田 真 ---- Ivan Herman, W3C Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ mobile: +33 6 52 46 00 43 ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704
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