- From: Daihei Shiohama <shiohama@mediado.jp>
- Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 21:24:04 +0900
- To: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>
- Cc: "McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <14011718-75FD-41FD-9AB7-6B23C0C3F47D@mediado.jp>
Hi Luc, On the way to Paris. Looking forward to seeing you there. As discussed last week prior to the PC call, I have confirmed in Japan including Head of EBPAJ and members of the Digital Comic Association that "WARNING alert” instead of error message is okay in Japan. So, will you please convey this to EPUB 3 CG and then simultaneously secure consensus within PBG. Best, Daihei > On Jun 17, 2019, at 22:41, AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr> wrote: > > Good to know. > Luc > > De : Daihei Shiohama <shiohama@mediado.jp <mailto:shiohama@mediado.jp>> > Date : lundi 17 juin 2019 à 15:41 > À : AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>> > Cc : "McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com <mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>> > Objet : Re: W3C [PBG] Agenda for 20190611/12 call - EuropeanEast Asia/US time > > Luc, > > Got it. > I will also discuss with Takami-san tomorrow and will get back to you. > > In the meantime, he is one of the TPAC PBG F2F PC members. Thus, he will be at the PC meeting tomorrow as well. > > Best, > > Daihei > > > > >> On Jun 17, 2019, at 22:33, AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>> wrote: >> >> Daihei, >> >> Thank you for informing us of the situation. We have a collective responsability to find a pragmatic solution for the Japanese market. >> That’s why I have proposed to abandon the ERROR message on this issue, but go the a informational WARNING instead. >> >> Last comment form Takami-san in the gGithub issue is : >> >> “Yes, outputting as WARNING by EPUBCheck will be another solution for Japanese market.” >> >> Which is backed up by Romain Deltour: >> If this is indeed reasonable for the Japanese market, I personally believe this could be the best solution: >> >> it doesn't deviate too much from the spec (and the CG could possibly amend the spec in a later version to remove the MUST, or even add a note already to clarify the situation?) >> · it leaves the check in place for people who find it useful >> Issue : https://github.com/w3c/epubcheck/issues/1036 <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fepubcheck%2Fissues%2F1036&data=02%7C01%7CLAUDRAIN%40hachette-livre.fr%7Cba5e6dc13a2947e72bde08d6f3297612%7Cf881a2c50a89483181b1c7846c49594d%7C0%7C0%7C636963756747256420&sdata=JMpvhoqkh6wq1t%2Bh%2FkLVBLtjm%2FFqvUssqVHIiG0WNxI%3D&reserved=0> >> >> I think we are moving in a good direction. >> >> Formally, this has to be discussed in the EPUB3-CG first (Dave is having a catch on this issues!) and in parallel in the PBG to build the consensus. >> With the support of the PBG, this should bring a reliable solution to the Japanese publishers. >> >> Best, >> Luc >> >> >> De : Daihei Shiohama <shiohama@mediado.jp <mailto:shiohama@mediado.jp>> >> Date : lundi 17 juin 2019 à 15:21 >> À : AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>> >> Cc : "McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com <mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>> >> Objet : Re: W3C [PBG] Agenda for 20190611/12 call - EuropeanEast Asia/US time >> >> Luc, >> >> Thank you for your understanding. >> I am just back from a dinner with an exec of one of the Japanese major publishers and had a quite lengthy talk about the EPUBCheck issue, which made me realize how heavy the issue is being taken by the industry and we cannot dismiss it without considering seriously and bring some productive solutions. Otherwise, I am afraid EPUB 3.2 adoptions and use of EPUBCheck 4.2.1 might not be implemented in the Japan publishing industry. I am not overreacting and try to convey to you the reality. >> >> Please see below Takami-san of KADOKAWA’s message on Github. >> In addition to the detailed explanation about the background/history and how the subject is seriously viewed in Japan. >> >> Please see his suggestion listed below. >> "WARNING report” might not be good enough. >> >> I am now called to see Head of EBPAJ tomorrow to discuss the issue and how it could be resolved. >> >> I will let you know the outcome. >> >> Best, >> >> Daihei >> >> >> (Takami-san’s message on the GitHub) >> >> Thanks for your active discussions and sorry for my late reply because of business trip to overseas last week. >> >> Now let me summarize this issue from my point. >> >> [What problem in Japan?] >> >> In Japan, EPUBCheck is used both when generating EPUB files by publishers and when accepting EPUB files by eBook stores (including Apple). So it's not convenient for us if existing EPUB files will be marked as ERROR when we have to re-deliver EPUB files to eBook stores because of changed phone # in colophon, for example, or when we have to deliver all of our EPUB files to new eBook stores. >> >> So I have to say that it's not a problem for new EPUB files as an answer to @laudrain 's question. >> >> Most of EPUB files in Japan are generated manually and we have to modify manually. Thus it's not easy to investigate how many EPUB files with TOC regulation-violated exist already and that's the reason why Japanese publishers have strong concerns to EPUBCheck's error. >> >> KADOKAWA decided to modify their incorrect EPUB files when found but I heard some major publishers in Japan may not accept the new behavior of EPUBCheck 4.2. And they will request not to use EPUBCheck 4.2 or later to eBook stores. >> >> That's the reason why I ask to re-open this issue. >> >> [Specification in EPUB 3.x] >> >> We are so sorry but for long time we were not aware of that 'different order of toc/spine' is not allowed in EPUB 3.0. >> >> As already some people commented, I also think the current regulation can be changed and should be changed for expansion of EPUB format's ability because paper books can provide any kind of TOC but EPUB cannot due to this regulation. >> >> EPUB 3.2 is already finalized and we Japanese publishers hope to discuss this issue as a topic for EPUB 3.2.1 or later. >> >> [Behavior in EPUBCheck 4.2.x] >> >> I understand the policy of following EPUB specification by EPUBCheck 4.2.x and EPUBCheck's behavior is correct because 'different order of toc/spine' is not allowed by even latest EPUB 3.2. >> >> I also know, as an engineer, it's not appropriate approach to add irregular behavior or to add local behavior. >> >> However, is it possible option that EPUBCheck will take features of future version of EPUB in advance if changing specification about TOC in the future will be agreed in PBG and EPUB3-CG? >> >> [My suggestion] >> >> I think the story below may be one of the reasonable solutions for this issue. >> >> 1. Japanese publishers will propose to change the TOC spec in future version of EPUB 3. >> 2. W3C PBG and EPUB3-CG will discuss this issue and agree with change in EPUB 3.2.1. >> 3. EPUBCheck 4.2.2 will integrate the change about TOC spec in advance. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 17, 2019, at 16:55, AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>> wrote: >>> >>> Daihei, >>> >>> I understand fully the issue. >>> Between inacceptable status quo (reporting ERROR) and full revision of EPUB 3.2 spec plus EPUBCheck, I’ve suggested a pragmatic way in managing this issue a WARNING report. >>> Hope this help. >>> >>> Best, >>> Luc >>> >>> >>> De : Daihei Shiohama <shiohama@mediado.jp <mailto:shiohama@mediado.jp>> >>> Date : samedi 15 juin 2019 à 17:03 >>> À : AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>> >>> Cc : "McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com <mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>> >>> Objet : Re: W3C [PBG] Agenda for 20190611/12 call - EuropeanEast Asia/US time >>> >>> Luc, >>> >>> I was able to get connected with Takami-san who just landed in Tokyo. >>> >>> His answers to your questions are: >>> >>> 1. In Japan, not only at the publishers’ side checking EPUB files, most of the eBook stores including Apple has been using EPUBCheck to validate the quality, at both sides (publishers/eBook stores), it becomes quite a sizable issue all the EPUB files appeared to be “error found” such as the cases like publisher’s credit 8Imprint) changed due to reorganization of KADOKAWA which effected all the previously published books to incorporate the changes, which turned enormous number of files delivered and the stores use EPUBCheck to have a large volume of the files with error messages. >>> >>> At this point, eBook stores have not yet been adopted EPUBCheck 4.2., if the error message issue remained, likely EPUBCheck 4.2. will not be used. >>> >>> FYR, previously, duplicate rendition declarations resulted in error message yield, KADOKAWA requested Pubridge not to use EPUBCheck 4.0. >>> >>> Any comments and thoughts? >>> >>> I will speak to him after Monday. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Daihei >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2019, at 19:15, Daihei Shiohama <shiohama@mediado.jp <mailto:shiohama@mediado.jp>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Luc and Liisa, >>>> >>>> Sorry that I could not respond to you earlier as I was in transit. >>>> >>>> 1. The first program committee call for the TPAC 2019 PBG event ? Is it ready for all participants to make it on Monday June 17th, 6:00 UTC? >>>> → I’ve sent an email and requested participations to the call on the date/time above to all the Japanese program committee members including Naomi Yoshizawa, Shinya Takami, Jun-ichi Yoshii. Now plus you and Ivan. They are in the weekend already so I will follow up to confirm their participations accordingly. >>>> >>>> 2. EPUBCheck 4.2 error message issue: Getting more and more seriously claimed. I was contacted by the Head of EBPAJ and we will meet early next week on this issue if W3C Publishing will solve this issue. On your question to Takami, I will follow it up. He is on the way back to Tokyo from Las Vegas today. In any event, the error message should not appear to all the files already made based on EPUB 3.0.1, not to mention EPUB 3.2. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Daihei >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jun 14, 2019, at 10:52, AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Liisa, >>>>> >>>>> Yes please, send an a cancel message for PBG call and an invite to participate to BISG Webinar. >>>>> >>>>> About the warning in EPUBCheck, I’ve followed the whole stuff in Github issue https://github.com/w3c/epubcheck/issues/1036 <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fepubcheck%2Fissues%2F1036&data=02%7C01%7CLAUDRAIN%40hachette-livre.fr%7Cba5e6dc13a2947e72bde08d6f3297612%7Cf881a2c50a89483181b1c7846c49594d%7C0%7C0%7C636963756747256420&sdata=JMpvhoqkh6wq1t%2Bh%2FkLVBLtjm%2FFqvUssqVHIiG0WNxI%3D&reserved=0> >>>>> >>>>> You are right it needs to be considered, but the EPUB3 CG has already discussed the subject seriously, and Shinya Takami hasn’t answered my question in this issue : >>>>> “@ShinyaTakami <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FShinyaTakami&data=02%7C01%7CLAUDRAIN%40hachette-livre.fr%7Cba5e6dc13a2947e72bde08d6f3297612%7Cf881a2c50a89483181b1c7846c49594d%7C0%7C0%7C636963756747266407&sdata=2D5iPQMyt7tZfoe9FHId%2BRF%2FuhcOQKg1FsjH9mTSvXA%3D&reserved=0> will existing and already distributed EPUB ever go through EPUBCheck 4.2 ? >>>>> >>>>> But as EPUBCheck 4.2 will be used on new titles coming in distribution, production spec may be revised now to cope EPUB3 spec. >>>>> >>>>> Then do we have an issue? » >>>>> TBC. >>>>> >>>>> “About the slides” : you mean for the BISG Webinar? >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Luc >>>>> >>>>> De : "McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com <mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>> >>>>> Date : vendredi 14 juin 2019 à 16:38 >>>>> À : AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>>, Daihei Shiohama <shiohama@mediado.jp <mailto:shiohama@mediado.jp>> >>>>> Cc : Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>> >>>>> Objet : Re: W3C [PBG] Agenda for 20190611/12 call - EuropeanEast Asia/US time >>>>> >>>>> Hi Luc- >>>>> >>>>> I think it was unclear that we wanted to cancel for Tuesday the 18th- we thought there was no overlap, but clearly there will be for prep. I can send a cancel notice and ask Garth to cancel the invite. >>>>> >>>>> There was something that came up in the meeting that we should discuss. The Japanese publishers are still quite concerned that they have a need for navigation to have a different order than the spine order and that EPUBcheck 4.2.1 warns on this. They submitted it in git when we were testing and it was determined to not be an epubcheck bug, but a spec problem and was sent to the CG. The CG looked at it and determined that the spec language hadn’t changed, the validation had just started to finally warn something it never had before. In the US, we’d probably look at this and say, eh, it’s just a warning, not an error. But the Japanese take warnings very seriously. And they don’t know how to work through this. It is possible they will not adopt the new validation because of this. I asked them to send examples of the kind of content and navigation they are trying to support so we can discuss in the BG. I’m not sure where or how we will solve the problem, but I feel like we owe it to them to understand this better and not punt it. >>>>> >>>>> Let me know if you need me to do anything with the slides. >>>>> >>>>> Liisa >>>>> >>>>> From: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>> >>>>> Date: Friday, June 14, 2019 at 8:44 AM >>>>> To: Daihei Shiohama <shiohama@mediado.jp <mailto:shiohama@mediado.jp>> >>>>> Cc: "McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com <mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>> >>>>> Subject: Re: W3C [PBG] Agenda for 20190611/12 call - EuropeanEast Asia/US time >>>>> >>>>> Hi Daihei, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. Yes Ivan made the minutes available. >>>>> You’ll probably be in Tokyo next Tuesday? >>>>> >>>>> I have 2 issues : >>>>> · What about the first program committee call for the TPAC 2019 PBG event ? Is it ready for all participants to make it on Monday June 17th, 6:00 UTC? If not, is there another date you can propose to the PC ? >>>>> >>>>> · Because of BISG Webinar, we will have to stop next PBG call on Tuesday June 18th 16:00 UTC a quarter before 17:00 UTC. As we previously shared, I would have prefered we cancel the PBG call to convene everybody to the BISG Webinar… >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Luc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> De : Daihei Shiohama <shiohama@mediado.jp <mailto:shiohama@mediado.jp>> >>>>> Date : vendredi 14 juin 2019 à 13:58 >>>>> À : AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>> >>>>> Cc : "McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com <mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>> >>>>> Objet : Re: W3C [PBG] Agenda for 20190611/12 call - EuropeanEast Asia/US time >>>>> >>>>> Luc, >>>>> >>>>> I am on a business trip in US and will be leaving for Tokyo tomorrow. >>>>> I trust you can also see Ivan circulated a cleaned minutes now. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any issues that you want to discuss, please advise. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Daihei >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 14, 2019, at 04:56, AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Daihei, >>>>>> Would it be possible to see the minutes from this call? >>>>>> Luc >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> De : Daihei Shiohama <shiohama@mediado.jp <mailto:shiohama@mediado.jp>> >>>>>> Date : lundi 10 juin 2019 à 23:52 >>>>>> À : W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org <mailto:public-publishingbg@w3.org>> >>>>>> Cc : "McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com <mailto:lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>>, AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr <mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>> >>>>>> Objet : W3C [PBG] Agenda for 20190611/12 call - EuropeanEast Asia/US time >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Publishing Business Group members, >>>>>> Below is the agenda for our call tomorrow coming Tuesday June 11th (US)/Wednesday 12th (Asia), to be held at [0]. >>>>>> >>>>>> Call at https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/gotomeetings <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fpublishing%2Fgroups%2Fpubl-wg%2FMeetings%2Fgotomeetings&data=02%7C01%7CLAUDRAIN%40hachette-livre.fr%7Cba5e6dc13a2947e72bde08d6f3297612%7Cf881a2c50a89483181b1c7846c49594d%7C0%7C0%7C636963756747266407&sdata=z98xgFO6NeedkC3wiKBjolDeuTUmVEMOiMGglTf3vao%3D&reserved=0> [2] >>>>>> W3C IRC: http://irc.w3.org/ <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Firc.w3.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7CLAUDRAIN%40hachette-livre.fr%7Cba5e6dc13a2947e72bde08d6f3297612%7Cf881a2c50a89483181b1c7846c49594d%7C0%7C0%7C636963756747276405&sdata=4xRuC9HLdpVr8GKB8nJIvXLNnHi8MS0tIZ%2FiKr%2FR7B8%3D&reserved=0> (IRC channel #pbg). >>>>>> >>>>>> Last week PBG call minutes: https://w3c.github.io/publ-bg/Meetings/Minutes/2019/2019-06-04-pbg <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fpubl-bg%2FMeetings%2FMinutes%2F2019%2F2019-06-04-pbg&data=02%7C01%7CLAUDRAIN%40hachette-livre.fr%7Cba5e6dc13a2947e72bde08d6f3297612%7Cf881a2c50a89483181b1c7846c49594d%7C0%7C0%7C636963756747276405&sdata=gIgy3R7hrto2l%2BzREAjxfTKforNNroF3lI%2B6qeEcGvU%3D&reserved=0> >>>>>> >>>>>> Agenda >>>>>> · Updates/Discussion >>>>>> o 1. BISG Webinar: Tuesday June 18 10:00 AM-11:00 AM PDT/13:00-14:00 EDT (6/19 2:00-3:00 am JST/1:00-2:00 am Taiwan) >>>>>> >>>>>> · PBG US/Europe call : Every 2 weeks from 9am to 10am on Tuesday PDT: Still, we can cancel the PBG call offering to PBG member to participate in BISG Webinar. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. TPAC 2019 Fukuoka >>>>>> >>>>>> · Registration open (9/16-9/20): Early bird until 6/21 https://www.w3.org/register/tpac2019 <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fregister%2Ftpac2019&data=02%7C01%7CLAUDRAIN%40hachette-livre.fr%7Cba5e6dc13a2947e72bde08d6f3297612%7Cf881a2c50a89483181b1c7846c49594d%7C0%7C0%7C636963756747286395&sdata=V66FjqfyJIwN1T4%2FfLFJ8i1u6Ntndn416NCHDEbEdq0%3D&reserved=0> >>>>>> · Preparation for TPAC Fukuoka PBG F2F 9/19 Thursday Morning >>>>>> · Schedule: https://www.w3.org/2019/09/TPAC/schedule.html <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2019%2F09%2FTPAC%2Fschedule.html&data=02%7C01%7CLAUDRAIN%40hachette-livre.fr%7Cba5e6dc13a2947e72bde08d6f3297612%7Cf881a2c50a89483181b1c7846c49594d%7C0%7C0%7C636963756747286395&sdata=Z8d4uRPeJpxovAjidcfbsPs145OdQybyJyjm%2F6ZJY9U%3D&reserved=0> >>>>>> · Co-chairs of the PBG F2F conference: Luc and Daihei >>>>>> · Program for PBG F2F: To TBD >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Business observation: Digital Publishing formats in general (outside EPUB), Fonts, Surveys/Reports on business need (journal/magazine, educations, academic, entertainment, etc.) >>>>>> >>>>>> · What is happening which is done without standards”, like Webtoons which is an existing market without standard…Hence the work on Digital Visual Narratives done by EDRLab, to be incubated in the BDCoMa Community Group >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> · Questions/Comments >>>>>> · Action Items and Next Steps >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On behalf of PBG co-chairs >>>>>> Daihei Shiohama >>>>>> >>>>>> [0] https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=W3C+PBG+call+East+Asia%2FUS&iso=20190618T00&p1=1440&ah=1 <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timeanddate.com%2Fworldclock%2Ffixedtime.html%3Fmsg%3DW3C%2BPBG%2Bcall%2BEast%2BAsia%2FUS%26iso%3D20190618T00%26p1%3D1440%26ah%3D1&data=02%7C01%7CLAUDRAIN%40hachette-livre.fr%7Cba5e6dc13a2947e72bde08d6f3297612%7Cf881a2c50a89483181b1c7846c49594d%7C0%7C0%7C636963756747296393&sdata=8j%2B9glP07hZyUIty7NXstXQi487kULeiw8zLVDRoWGU%3D&reserved=0> >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] https://calendar.google.com/calendar?cid=NWhvMW05aTdsNHVzOXEzbWEyMGVlMmh2a2NAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalendar.google.com%2Fcalendar%3Fcid%3DNWhvMW05aTdsNHVzOXEzbWEyMGVlMmh2a2NAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ&data=02%7C01%7CLAUDRAIN%40hachette-livre.fr%7Cba5e6dc13a2947e72bde08d6f3297612%7Cf881a2c50a89483181b1c7846c49594d%7C0%7C0%7C636963756747296393&sdata=ZcliqdhzFDPeqZW8BFNcOVxCKi4So8vM6b0oQZWqoU8%3D&reserved=0> >>>>>> >>>>>> [2] https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/gotomeetings <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fpublishing%2Fgroups%2Fpubl-wg%2FMeetings%2Fgotomeetings&data=02%7C01%7CLAUDRAIN%40hachette-livre.fr%7Cba5e6dc13a2947e72bde08d6f3297612%7Cf881a2c50a89483181b1c7846c49594d%7C0%7C0%7C636963756747306383&sdata=DLLLuLZQQbsSmJoNpNX6AeZcwPPRBwMM7%2Ftk111JD7w%3D&reserved=0>
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