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Re: George's thoughts: RE: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and draft agenda for JWG7 of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05, Lisbon, Portugal

From: MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 08:08:39 +0900
Message-ID: <CALvn5EBsBvyvdhmWRZ6vBc9oNdDnU2dFXNeZfGbba9DJKLpMGA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
Cc: Ric Wright <rkwright@geofx.com>, "laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org" <laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org>, Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>, W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
2018-04-12 1:51 GMT+09:00 Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>:

>
>    - They are freely available since they were initially published and
>    made freely available by other organizations.
>
>
>
> AND they were brought over via very specific pathways that is not clear
> that we have access to right now…
>

The use of the PAS or fast-track procedure is not a requirement for
making an ISO/IEC standard freely available.  19757-2, -3, -4, -11
was done via the normal procedure, but they are freely available.

Regards,
Makoto

>
>
> Leonard
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>
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> *From:* eb2mmrt@gmail.com <eb2mmrt@gmail.com> *On Behalf Of *MURATA Makoto
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 9:53 PM
> *To:* Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
> *Cc:* Ric Wright <rkwright@geofx.com>; laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org; Bill
> Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>; George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>;
> W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
>
> *Subject:* Re: George's thoughts: RE: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and
> draft agenda for JWG7 of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05,
> Lisbon, Portugal
>
>
>
> Leonard,
>
>
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> 2018-04-11 10:22 GMT+09:00 Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>:
>
> George’s plan sounds great as the general plan for EPUB 3.2….but I don’t
> see the ISO connection with it.
>
>
>
> 1 – As Makoto has pointed out in his document, you can only take W3C RECs
> to ISO.  CG documents can’t be “brought across” to ISO (using the liaison
> channel).
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> Actually, see this W3C Note, which is also published as ISO/IEC 19757-11.
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> http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-model/
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> 2 – ISO doesn’t do free standards.  They make their $$ selling standards
> (since membership is free, for the most part).  So if this is an problem,
> you should face that fact.
>
> NOTE: individual member bodies (aka countries) can, however, make
> standards available to their members for a reduced price (or free!).  For
> example, ANSI (in the US) does this for a few standards.
>
>
>
> A number of ISO/IEC standards are freely available.  They
>
> include 19757-2 (RELAX NG), 19757-3 (Schematron), 19757-7 (NVDL),
>
> 19757-11, 29500-1/4 (OOXML), and 26300-1/3 (ODF).  They are
>
> freely available since they were initially published and made freely
>
> available by other organizations.
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>
>
> Regards,
>
> Makoto
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>
>
>
>
> Leonard
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>
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> *From:* Ric Wright <rkwright@geofx.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:46 PM
> *To:* laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org; Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>; MURATA Makoto <
> eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>; W3C Publishing Business Group <
> public-publishingbg@w3.org>
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: George's thoughts: RE: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and
> draft agenda for JWG7 of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05,
> Lisbon, Portugal
>
>
>
> I think that George’s plan is excellent, but shouldn’t there is an item
> for extending EPUBCheck to cover 3.2?  I think we all agree on this needs,
> but seems like it should be part of the plan. Of course, these three items
> (I.e. 3, 4 and 4b) are a LOT of work, but what of that?  :-)
>
>
>
> Ric
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> *From: *Laurent Le Meur <laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org>
> *Date: *Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:36 PM
> *To: *Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>, MURATA Makoto <
> eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>, W3C Publishing Business Group <
> public-publishingbg@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: George's thoughts: RE: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and
> draft agenda for JWG7 of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05,
> Lisbon, Portugal
> *Resent-From: *<public-publishingbg@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Tue, 10 Apr 2018 19:37:38 +0000
>
>
>
> + 100 to this plan.
>
> Epub 3.2 will have the media cover and the Asian industry will be able to
> rely on an compatible ISO standard in a correct timeframe.
>
> Cordialement, Laurent
>
>
> Le 10 avr. 2018 à 19:43, Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> +1 to George's plan
>
> --Bill K
>
>
> *Bill Kasdorf*
> *Principal, Kasdorf & Associates, LLC*
>
> kasdorf.bill@gmail.com
>
> +1 734-904-6252
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> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:30 PM, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>
> wrote:
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> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Based onMakoto’s email below and our lengthy discussion on the call
> today, I thought I would put down my thoughts:
>
>
>
> Approach
>
>
>
>    1. Move briskly forward to develop EPUB 3.2 as a W3C CG Report, i.e.
>    the Standard we recommend.
>    2. Also update the Accessibility Spec to version 1.1  and submit as a
>    CG report
>    3. Develop a robust test suite for EPUB 3.2 that will also help our
>    rec track PWG
>    4. Develop Rachel’s Best practices (oops probably not called Rachael’s)
>    5. Marcket  the heck out of3.2 as being backward compatible as the
>    current Standard.
>    6. In ISO get assurances that the standards will be freely available
>    and may also be available from W3C
>    7. Ask Makoto to move forward with option 4, see below
>
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> Option 4: International Standards for EPUB 3.0.1 (fast-track) and EPUB
> A11Y 1.0 (normal process)
>
> list of 4 items
>
> • Estimated timeline: The target date is middle 2020. (The fast-track DIS
> ballot for EPUB 3.0.1 requires 6 months and the comment disposition requires
>
> a few months. EPUB A11Y requires a CD ballot and a DIS ballot, at least.)
>
> • Pros: Not-so-late publication
>
>    - No language in the EPUB 3.0.1 spec needs to be rewritten (Makoto
>    please confirm)
>
> • Cons: EPUB A11Y is required to be rewritten in the ISO/IEC style,
> although it is short.
>
> • Cons: Might hamper the adoption of 3.2.
>
>
>
> While EPUB 3.0.1 being an ISO standard could in theory hamper 3.2
> adoption, because of the backward compatability of 3.2 with 3.01, plus
> the marketing in support of 3.2, plus the best practices in 3.2, plus the
> Ace supporting 3.2, , plus the new epubcheck supporting 3.2, I think we are
> in good shape.
>
>
>
> That’s my thoughts and I am sure there are things missing.
>
>
>
> Best
>
> George
>
>
>
> *From:* eb2mmrt@gmail.com <eb2mmrt@gmail.com> *On Behalf Of *MURATA Makoto
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 6:09 AM
> *To:* W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and draft agenda for JWG7
> of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05, Lisbon, Portugal
>
>
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
>
>
> On May 16, SC34/JWG7 will have a comment
>
> resolution meting for the Proposed Draft Techical
>
> Specifications Ballot of EPUB 3.0.1 (PDTS 30135 -1
>
> to 6).  We have to choose either Option 4 or 5 before
>
> this meeting.  We can take more time for Options 1, 2,
>
> and 3.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Makoto
>
>
>
> 2018-03-27 18:58 GMT+09:00 MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>:
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
>
>
> This meeting is mainly for the comment disposition of ISO/IEC PDTS
>
> 30135-1/66 (EPUB 3.0.1) and that of ISO/IEC PDTS 22424-1/2 (EPUB3
>
> preservation).
>
>
>
> The meeting announcement and draft agenda are available at:
>
>
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>   https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2018Mar/0384.html
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FMember%2Fw3c-archive%2F2018Mar%2F0384.html&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7C0c01d2c9696d4c8583ab08d59f1c05f0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636589865068242926&sdata=cwrWsOMH%2FU3qrzbT6JwAIyLjJ0Pd0NWKbcyxmTxP2u4%3D&reserved=0>
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>
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> Referenced documents are also available at:
>
>
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>   https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2018Mar/
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FMember%2Fw3c-archive%2F2018Mar%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7C0c01d2c9696d4c8583ab08d59f1c05f0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636589865068242926&sdata=PVjxuwGigX5fMl43a4sqsqXayun7krU07eiX7SdHRFE%3D&reserved=0>
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>
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> These documents are not available to the public.  I believe
>
> that TPI members have access to these documents.
>
>
>
> I am sure that this meeting will care the input from W3C
>
> very seriously.  After the last meeting, I created a list
>
> of possible options for the standardization of EPUB
>
> 3.0.1/3.2.  Is it possible to reach consensus on the
>
> choice of several options, available at:
>
>
>
> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/wiki/Five-options-for-creating-ISO-IEC-
> specifications
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fpubl-a11y%2Fwiki%2FFive-options-for-creating-ISO-IEC-specifications&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7C0c01d2c9696d4c8583ab08d59f1c05f0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636589865068242926&sdata=qiq%2Fvz5Dj%2BsGxtR895YrANij4%2B5PLEa1DUtJfSESYBg%3D&reserved=0>
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>
>
> ?
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>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> MURATA Makoto (liaison from ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34 to W3C)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Praying for the victims of the Japan Tohoku earthquake
>
> Makoto
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Praying for the victims of the Japan Tohoku earthquake
>
> Makoto
>



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