Re: Question - CSS Working Group Activities & W3C Publishing Business Group Goals

As developers of reading apps, we are mostly interested in the improvement of CSS related to "synthetic" pagination, which is a subset of what needed for printing reflowable publications. 

The CSS multi-columns we're using in Readium, and what most modern reading systems are using also (but some not) is cumbersome for many reasons. One among others is the problem of forcing page breaks in a multi-columned html page. 
We've been dreaming about the availability CSS pages or CSS regions, we can even say that we came to the W3C for such evolutions, but alas... 
Maybe it's time to try again. 

Best regards
Laurent

> Le 4 sept. 2023 à 10:15, Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA <cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org> a écrit :
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> Dear Ivan
> Good morning and thank you very much for the information.
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> The topic seems important to me for all those who have single-source-publishing flows: XML to PDF for printing or HTML to PDF for printing.
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> In Italy (and Europe) there are not many, but still it makes sense in my opinion.
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> Many companies that produce PDF files automatically (bills, airline tickets, contracts, etc.) use these technologies. It would be interesting to also address the issue of producing accessible PDFs from these technologies (XML, XHTML, CSS).
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> All my best
> Cristina
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> Da: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>>
> Data: lunedì 4 settembre 2023, 07:12
> A: Liisa McCloy-Kelley <LMcCloy-Kelley@randomhouse.com <mailto:LMcCloy-Kelley@randomhouse.com>>, Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA <cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org <mailto:cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org>>, Daihei Shiohama <shiohama@mediado.jp <mailto:shiohama@mediado.jp>>
> Cc: "'PBG Steering Committee (Public)'" <public-publishing-sc@w3.org <mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org>>, <ptykodi@tykodi.com <mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com>>
> Oggetto: Fwd: Question - CSS Working Group Activities & W3C Publishing Business Group Goals
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> Liisa, Christina, Daihei,
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> please find, below, a mail I have just received from Paul Tykodi, from the IEEE Printer Working Group. I would think that exploring how far the Publishing Industry is interested by the development of CSS print would be of importance, and maybe it is a good idea for the PBG to organize some sort of a seminar/meeting, inviting the people from the PWG but also the chairs of the CSS WG. 
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> We may also think about having a short discussion about it at TPAC next week.
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> Cheers
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> Ivan
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>> From: "Paul Tykodi" <ptykodi@tykodi.com <mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com>>
>> Subject: Question - CSS Working Group Activities & W3C Publishing Business Group Goals
>> Date: 1 September 2023 at 23:05:49 CEST
>> To: <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>>
>> Reply-To: <ptykodi@tykodi.com <mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com>>
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>> Hi Ivan,
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>> I haven’t posted into the W3C mailing lists I monitor for quite some time so I wanted to wish you belated congratulations on your retirement!
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>> I am still participating in the activities of the IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group standards developing organization and I am currently the Co-chair of the PWG Internet Printing Protocol (IPP) Working Group. The PWG is the standards body, which originally developed the CSS-Print (https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/cs-xpcssprt10-20030331-5102.2.html) and XHTML-Print (https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/cs-xpxprt10-20030331-5102.1.pdf) standards.
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>> Bill Wagner also represented the PWG and gave the attached presentation at the W3C Workshop titled “Publishing and the Open Web Platform” https://www.w3.org/2012/12/global-publisher/ held at the Centre Pompidou in Paris, France back in 2013.
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>> Today, I received an email notification about an upcoming meeting of the W3C CSS Working Group. It reminded me that an active CSS Working Group might offer an opportunity to improve the printing support defined by CSS.
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>> As far as I know, there has not been a lot of energy put into most of the following specifications or initiatives in the recent past:
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>> Priorities for CSS from the Digital Publishing Interest Group - https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-css-priorities/
>> CSS Print Profile - https://www.w3.org/TR/css-print/ - CSS Working Group note says the working group has discontinued work on the document
>> XHTML-Print - Second Edition - https://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-print/
>> CSS Paged Media Module Level 3 - https://www.w3.org/TR/css-page-3/
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>> If the W3C Publishing Business Group might want to advocate for some specific CSS based improvements focused on printing/publishing during this latest iteration of CSS Working Group activities, I believe the Printer Working Group members would likely be willing to participate in W3C CSS working group related activities focused on improving how the CSS standard supports printing/publishing activities.
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>> Thanks.
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>> Best Regards,
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>> /Paul
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