Re: [pwg] agenda 2019-07-01

Late regrets, last-minute conflict.

- Josh

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 12:56 PM Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com> wrote:

> Hello PWG-ers,
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> Below is the agenda for Monday’s WG conference call, to be held at the
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> *Agenda 01 July:*
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> Chair: Tzviya
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>    - Approve Minutes [4]
>    - Proposed Changes to PWG – group discussion and goal planning. See
>    below
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> Agenda 08 July: to come
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> Proposed Changes to PWG
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> The chairs of the Publishing Working Group (PWG) and the  EPUB 3 Community
> Group have been discussing how best to move forward with Web Publications.
> As the specification exists today, there is little chance of it being
> adopted by publishers, as it does not reflect current business needs. In
> spite of our best intentions, we did not gain the support of the browser
> vendors or the larger web community. We attempted standardization before
> experimentation and incubation. Clear business needs have been hard to
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> We feel the best course of action is to suspend work on web publications
> for now, and focus on areas where we have clearly-expressed and
> widely-supported business needs, such as audiobooks. We would consider
> resuming work on web publications, but we would need more
> clearly-articulated business needs, and broader participation from the web
> community as well as the publishing world.
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> So what should we do? We have a proposal:
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>    - Publish the existing full Web Publications spec  as a Working Group
>    Note, with the message that “there is insufficient business interest to
>    proceed today, but we can revisit in the future.”
>    - Move forward with audiobooks. But we need to decide on an approach:
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> a.              Most of the chairs favor using the existing audiobook
> spec as a foundation, incorporating the manifest and associated vocabulary
> from Web Publications, and possibly integrating the packaging spec. By
> de-emphasising the WP aspect of audiobooks, specifying the processing of
> the manifest could become much simpler, avoiding the complications of
> fetch, CORS, and so on. But this still leaves open the possibility to
> better integrate with existing web technologies, and perhaps even evolve to
> support podcasts. And if the synced media proposal for audiobooks gains
> traction, it could be a boon to the larger web. This could open the door to
> future profiles as well.
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> b.              EPUB could become a packaged audio format by defining
> audio formats as core content types, allowing them to be referenced
> directly from the spine without fallbacks. This provides a natural way to
> incorporate navigation and non-audio content in audiobooks, and takes
> advantage of EPUB’s existing media overlays. But there may be little
> interest from the industry.
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>    - Work with the publishing community to focus on the future of EPUB.
>    Perhaps instead of inventing something new, we can bring EPUB closer to the
>    web. Some of the ambitious proposals made for EPUB 3.1 could form the
>    foundation of the EPUB 4 of the future, including the browser-friendly
>    format, the HTML serialization, and more progress on scripting in EPUB. If
>    the industry indeed sees a business need for a new version of EPUB, We do
>    not yet know where that work might happen, but logistics will come later.
>    - Follow the advice that we've received from the larger web community
>    about incubation, about identifying gaps in the web platform and advocating
>    for filling them rather than trying to create a grand vision from
>    scratch.
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> We will spend Monday’s meeting discussing these issues.  We hope to hear
> your thoughts about these questions in particular:
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>    1. Would you prefer to move forward with audiobooks as is (in a Web
>    Context) or audiobooks in an EPUB context? We would like to hear about
>    implementation interest from both “listening system” vendors and content
>    creators.
>    2. What are the next steps for EPUB? What comes after EPUB 3.2? Going
>    forward, we will ask you to identify particular gaps in the EPUB
>    specification.
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> Sincerely,
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> Tzviya Siegman
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> Wendy Reid
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> Garth Conboy
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> Ivan Herman
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> Matt Garrish
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> Ralph Swick
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> Dave Cramer
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> Rachel Comerford
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> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=PWG&iso=20190701T12&p1=43
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> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/gotomeetings](
> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/gotomeetings)
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> [2]   [https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/WorkMode/newbie](
> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/WorkMode/newbie)
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> [3]   [https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/](
> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/)
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> [4]
> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2019/2019-06-24-pwg
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> *Tzviya Siegman*
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> Information Standards Lead
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> Wiley
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