Re: OCF for Packaging (was Re: [AudioTF] Agenda 2018-12-14)

OCF 3.0 is now an ISO/IEC TS.  But OCF 3.0.1 is expected to become
an ISO/IEC standard quite soon.  Korea submitted EPUB 3.0.1 to
JTC1 using the fast-track procedure.

Regards,
Makoto

2018年12月11日(火) 12:55 Brady Duga <duga@google.com>:

> OCF *is* an ISO spec: https://www.iso.org/standard/63569.html (does ISO
> call them specs?)
>
> It is also an IDPF spec. It is not a W3C recommendation. Normatively
> referencing an ISO spec, or a W3C recommendation should be pretty easy -
> just point at them. So if we want to use OCF as is, we are fine - we can
> point at the ISO version. If we want to make changes this becomes harder.
> Sure, we can make the changes (after finding editors for the document),
> hammer OCF into a workable W3C draft, get our two implementations, test
> suite, vote, etc., assuming we can get buy-in for a new ZIP based rec. None
> of this is impossible (well, buy in for ZIP might be), but it is not
> simple. There had been some comments around referencing the ISO version,
> but I don't see how that will be possible since we need at least one change.
>
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 6:32 PM Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree Brady…
>>
>>
>>
>> But OCF is **NOT* *an ISO spec, it’s an IDPF spec (see my link).  And I
>> would assume that IDPF specs are owned nowadays by the W3C – so it’s
>> changing a W3C spec.
>>
>>
>>
>> Leonard
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Brady Duga <duga@google.com>
>> *Date: *Monday, December 10, 2018 at 5:31 PM
>> *To: *Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
>> *Cc: *Garth Conboy <garth@google.com>, "Reid, Wendy" <
>> wendy.reid@rakuten.com>, W3C Publishing Working Group <
>> public-publ-wg@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: OCF for Packaging (was Re: [AudioTF] Agenda 2018-12-14)
>>
>>
>>
>> But changing one thing in an ISO spec is largely as difficult as changing
>> N things. I think the difficulty is going from N == 0 to N > 0 when it
>> comes to changes.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 2:27 PM Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry I missed the meeting today, but I just reviewed the minutes (where
>> I came up a few times 😊).
>>
>>
>>
>> As I have previously stated, I also would support a revision to OCF (call
>> it whatever you want) that addresses the primary issue with it today – the
>> removal of the mandatory mimetype file.  That file and it’s requirement to
>> be the first file in the package/archive (<
>> http://www.idpf.org/epub/31/spec/epub-ocf.html#sec-zip-container-mime
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.idpf.org%2Fepub%2F31%2Fspec%2Fepub-ocf.html%23sec-zip-container-mime&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Cd3ad17157eeb492db60f08d65eef426d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636800779058020315&sdata=1fJsZ2LR8O0epOM3cKi9Zd3bCuucETbXEdW%2Fcr7lZmc%3D&reserved=0>>)
>> is the only thing that you *need* to change with OCF to make it usable
>> going forward.   And just changing the MUST to a MAY is all you need to do
>> to make it happen – it’s that simple!
>>
>>
>>
>> Leonard
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Garth Conboy <garth@google.com>
>> *Date: *Monday, December 10, 2018 at 2:42 PM
>> *To: *"Reid, Wendy" <wendy.reid@rakuten.com>
>> *Cc: *W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AudioTF] Agenda 2018-12-14
>> *Resent-From: *<public-publ-wg@w3.org>
>> *Resent-Date: *Monday, December 10, 2018 at 2:41 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Regrets.  In the air.
>>
>>
>>
>> But, to paraphrase Trump (without yet have seen minutes for todays call
>> [also in the air]), "I'm a zip/ocf man" (for this initial application).
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>    Garth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:18 AM Reid, Wendy <wendy.reid@rakuten.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Correction:
>>
>> Time and Date Link:
>> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=AudioTF&iso=20181214T10&p1=250&ah=1
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timeanddate.com%2Fworldclock%2Ffixedtime.html%3Fmsg%3DAudioTF%26iso%3D20181214T10%26p1%3D250%26ah%3D1&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Cd3ad17157eeb492db60f08d65eef426d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636800779058020315&sdata=nqBlQxko6D3XIcQ6bh6yzTg%2FUntAJLvKF0aYnKkvjMg%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *"Reid, Wendy" <wendy.reid@rakuten.com>
>> *Date: *Monday, December 10, 2018 at 1:42 PM
>> *To: *W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *[AudioTF] Agenda 2018-12-14
>> *Resent-From: *<public-publ-wg@w3.org>
>> *Resent-Date: *Monday, December 10, 2018 at 1:41 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> The Audiobooks Taskforce (AudioTF) will be meeting *Friday, December
>> 14th at 10AM EST *[0]. Call details are at the bottom of the email.
>>
>>
>>
>> Agenda:
>>
>>    1. Approve Minutes from last session [1]
>>    2. Packaging re: PWG discussion of Dec 10 [2]
>>    3. AOB
>>
>> [0]
>> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=AudioTF&iso=20181116T10&p1=250&ah=1
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timeanddate.com%2Fworldclock%2Ffixedtime.html%3Fmsg%3DAudioTF%26iso%3D20181116T10%26p1%3D250%26ah%3D1&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Cd3ad17157eeb492db60f08d65eef426d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636800779058020315&sdata=XOpWfmuTBM8KpEVqRglZdBTJ1kUWrH%2FspEXXIqDu5BU%3D&reserved=0>
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>> [1] https://www.w3.org/2018/11/16-pwg-audio-minutes.html
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>> [2] https://www.w3.org/2018/12/10-pwg-minutes.html
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