Re: Proposal to Republish CORS as Obsolete Recommendation (Call for Review)

David, Leonard,

I agree these are valid concerns but I do not think this is something to be discussed in this WG… There is a review going on, as announced:

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2017JulSep/0036.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2017JulSep/0036.html>

for what is, at this moment, a proposal only. You or your AC rep should raise the concerns there…

Cheers

Ivan


> On 1 Sep 2017, at 02:48, David Wood <david.wood@ephox.com <mailto:david.wood@ephox.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a different concern. It seems to me that ceding key specs (HTML, URL, CORS...) to the WHAT WG removes one of the key advantages of the W3C; the Patent Policy.
> 
> It is difficult for me not to view the movement of these specs from a consensus group to a group with explicit commercial interests as threatening to the Open Web Platform.
> 
> Of course, I seem to be taking a rather misanthropic approach to W3C Management this year. Maybe it is them and maybe it is me :/
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> On 1 September 2017 at 07:29, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>> wrote:
> Yeah, those are my two concerns with this direction as well, Ivan…
> 
> On 8/31/17, 7:20 AM, "Ivan Herman" <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Yep, although the concept is not gone. The WhatWG Fetch spec includes the same features as CORS[1] (as far as I know), so it is more that it is superseded. However, the Fetch spec is not a W3C spec, so, formally, superseded is not the right term…
> 
>     Fetch is, of course:-), an extremely-difficult-to-read spec. Anybody knows of a good tutorial like text that we could use?
> 
>     Ivan
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>     [1] https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffetch.spec.whatwg.org%2F%23http-cors-protocol&data=02%7C01%7C%7C74a023b7d2a840e5011a08d4f0623fe8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636397752155644684&sdata=Od79aZ9WBFJmBCX%2B1ED25N2Oa9X5VFTvBU3PbsrWrSY%3D&reserved=0 <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffetch.spec.whatwg.org%2F%23http-cors-protocol&data=02%7C01%7C%7C74a023b7d2a840e5011a08d4f0623fe8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636397752155644684&sdata=Od79aZ9WBFJmBCX%2B1ED25N2Oa9X5VFTvBU3PbsrWrSY%3D&reserved=0>
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>     > On 31 Aug 2017, at 13:10, Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com <mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     > Our group has mentioned CORS many times in our discussions of origins and manifests. It's worth noting that it is being formally obsoleted.
>     >
>     > Tzviya Siegman
>     > Information Standards Lead
>     > Wiley
>     > 201-748-6884 <tel:201-748-6884>
>     > tsiegman@wiley.com <mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: Coralie Mercier [mailto:coralie@w3.org <mailto:coralie@w3.org>]
>     > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 4:36 AM
>     > To: w3c-ac-forum@w3.org <mailto:w3c-ac-forum@w3.org>
>     > Cc: chairs@w3.org <mailto:chairs@w3.org>
>     > Subject: Proposal to Republish CORS as Obsolete Recommendation (Call for Review)
>     >
>     > Dear Advisory Committee Representative,
>     > Chairs,
>     >
>     > This is a proposal to republish the following W3C Recommendation as Obsolete Recommendation:
>     >
>     >  Cross-Origin Resource Sharing, W3C Recommendation 16 January 2014
>     >  https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2F2014%2FREC-cors-20140116%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C74a023b7d2a840e5011a08d4f0623fe8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636397752155644684&sdata=GF8iZLUdT1tnBAbkl3TkftbO7jJikxYpO1KVSVENlvA%3D&reserved=0 <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2F2014%2FREC-cors-20140116%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C74a023b7d2a840e5011a08d4f0623fe8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636397752155644684&sdata=GF8iZLUdT1tnBAbkl3TkftbO7jJikxYpO1KVSVENlvA%3D&reserved=0>
>     >
>     > The SoTD should read:
>     >
>     > [[
>     > This specification is obsolete and should no longer be used as a basis for implementation.
>     > The [Fetch Living Standard](https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffetch.spec.whatwg.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C74a023b7d2a840e5011a08d4f0623fe8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636397752155644684&sdata=jtrKxtefDkFtGlNt2AWPWtWuLroAT5cPyhqruJxpdEg%3D&reserved=0 <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffetch.spec.whatwg.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C74a023b7d2a840e5011a08d4f0623fe8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636397752155644684&sdata=jtrKxtefDkFtGlNt2AWPWtWuLroAT5cPyhqruJxpdEg%3D&reserved=0>) provides the same set of features with additional refinements to improve security, such as the [CORS safelisted request headers](https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffetch.spec.whatwg.org%2F%23cors-safelisted-request-header&data=02%7C01%7C%7C74a023b7d2a840e5011a08d4f0623fe8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636397752155644684&sdata=E%2Fy06HuZiukNnvq8NfyVpggu6Fo7kbJB%2FPGEQb8R6%2Bg%3D&reserved=0 <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffetch.spec.whatwg.org%2F%23cors-safelisted-request-header&data=02%7C01%7C%7C74a023b7d2a840e5011a08d4f0623fe8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636397752155644684&sdata=E%2Fy06HuZiukNnvq8NfyVpggu6Fo7kbJB%2FPGEQb8R6%2Bg%3D&reserved=0>). The Fetch specification also contains new features, which would not be covered by the [5 February 2004 W3C Patent Policy](https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FConsortium%2FPatent-Policy-20040205%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C74a023b7d2a840e5011a08d4f0623fe8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636397752155644684&sdata=wc2%2B1eDkXEr4KsKnGRrB%2B2xr4%2FhKfPpX4SyP6DV73pk%3D&reserved=0 <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FConsortium%2FPatent-Policy-20040205%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C74a023b7d2a840e5011a08d4f0623fe8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636397752155644684&sdata=wc2%2B1eDkXEr4KsKnGRrB%2B2xr4%2FhKfPpX4SyP6DV73pk%3D&reserved=0>), such as the possibility to use a [wildcard "*"](https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffetch.spec.whatwg.org%2F%23cors-preflight-fetch-0&data=02%7C01%7C%7C74a023b7d2a840e5011a08d4f0623fe8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636397752155644684&sdata=C3OBbuXbpYO3dKkrqKOorhTc82G7fFRTwgrzdjFW68Y%3D&reserved=0 <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffetch.spec.whatwg.org%2F%23cors-preflight-fetch-0&data=02%7C01%7C%7C74a023b7d2a840e5011a08d4f0623fe8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636397752155644684&sdata=C3OBbuXbpYO3dKkrqKOorhTc82G7fFRTwgrzdjFW68Y%3D&reserved=0>) in CORS headers. As an historical reference, a [snapshot](https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffetch.spec.whatwg.org%2Fcommit-snapshots%2Ff3bb21991abdd335175fcc5d26a0d0b7b380d4fe%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C74a023b7d2a840e5011a08d4f0623fe8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636397752155644684&sdata=TXi1T8nI03tuNNhVQbFmG0G6%2FQNR5RMpESaiZLOpgIA%3D&reserved=0 <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffetch.spec.whatwg.org%2Fcommit-snapshots%2Ff3bb21991abdd335175fcc5d26a0d0b7b380d4fe%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C74a023b7d2a840e5011a08d4f0623fe8%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636397752155644684&sdata=TXi1T8nI03tuNNhVQbFmG0G6%2FQNR5RMpESaiZLOpgIA%3D&reserved=0>) of the Fetch Living Standard as of 15 June 2017 is also available.
>     > ]]
>     >
>     > Although the Fetch Living Standard continues to evolve and accordingly W3C cannot speak to the stability of the entire spec - the portions of the Fetch spec that obsolete the CORS spec are stable and have sufficient implementations on the Web - the Director supports the Working Group's request to republish the CORS Recommendation as an Obsolete Recommendation.
>     >
>     > The approval and publication are in response to this transition request from the Web Application Security Working Group [1]:
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>     > There wasn't any Formal Objection within the Web Application Security Working Group.
>     >
>     > Issues are welcome by 2017-09-28 and should be sent to <public-webappsec@w3.org <mailto:public-webappsec@w3.org>>.
>     >
>     > Please review this proposal and indicate whether your organization supports obsoleting this Recommendation or objects to this action, by completing the following questionnaire:
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>     > The deadline for responses is 23:59, Boston time on 2017-09-28. Additional details about the review are available in the questionnaire.
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>     > This Call for review follows section 6.9 "Obsoleting or Rescinding a W3C Recommendation" of the W3C Process Document:
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>     > Thank you,
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