Re: definition of Web Publication

I have to disagree with that Ben.

The ability to take a web site (or WebApp) offline is available today – and in some cases has been around for a while now (if you consider web archives and MHTML).  In addition, I may not want my WP to be taken offline – and that should be my choice as an author.

Leonard

From: Benjamin Young <byoung@bigbluehat.com>
Date: Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:03 AM
To: Hugh McGuire <hugh@rebus.foundation>, AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>
Cc: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>, Garth Conboy <garth@google.com>, Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>, W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
Subject: Re: definition of Web Publication


The requirement of a publication being available sans-network connection is one of the key components of making a Web Publications unique next to Web Apps and and Web Sites.

One "killer feature" of the current publication formats (EPUB, PDF, etc) is that they are (or easily can be) available offline.

Without that requirement, we're not adding much to the world of the Web that doesn't already exist.

Putting it into the "nature" of what a Web Publication is at its core, though, gives us something unique and valuable to author, reader, and publisher alike.

Cheers!
Benjamin



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From: Hugh McGuire <hugh@rebus.foundation>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 9:26:20 AM
To: AUDRAIN LUC
Cc: Matt Garrish; Leonard Rosenthol; Garth Conboy; Dave Cramer; W3C Publishing Working Group
Subject: Re: definition of Web Publication

Are we clear yet on how a WP will be “made available for offline reading?”

If we are not yet clear about that (cf convos about service workers) then does it make sense to bake this into the (minimum viable) definition of a WP?









On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 2:08 AM, AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr<mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>> wrote:
Ok, this is much more simple.

Notion of creator/author could be found in the « logical work » and the idea of « boundaries »  in « primary/secondary » resources.

But, the loss of « offline » in that tiny definition is a question for me.
It may be optional for WP but IMO, the possibility to make it available offline is a must and that's a difference from a website.

Could we add something like:
The Web Publication is uniquely identifiable and presentable using Open Web Platform technologies and can be made available for offline reading.

Luc


De : Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com<mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>>
Date : jeudi 27 juillet 2017 à 23:44
À : 'Leonard Rosenthol' <lrosenth@adobe.com<mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>, 'Garth Conboy' <garth@google.com<mailto:garth@google.com>>, Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com<mailto:dauwhe@gmail.com>>
Cc : 'W3C Publishing Working Group' <public-publ-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
Objet : RE: definition of Web Publication
Renvoyer - De : <public-publ-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
Renvoyer - Date : jeudi 27 juillet 2017 à 23:45

> we shouldn’t need ot define UA, as that is already defined in HTML

Yes, I wasn't sure about that. I brought it over from the DPIG note and adapted the referenced WAI entry as it seemed important in that document, but I think we can take for granted that the thing processing a WP is its user agent.

I'll take it out and we can always revisit later if there's a pressing need.

Matt

From: Leonard Rosenthol [mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com]
Sent: July 27, 2017 5:02 PM
To: Garth Conboy <garth@google.com<mailto:garth@google.com>>; Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com<mailto:dauwhe@gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: definition of Web Publication

Thanks Matt – much better.  +1 from me on the new definition.

One minor note – we shouldn’t need ot define UA, as that is already defined in HTML (etc.).  Maybe just reference that one…

From: Garth Conboy <garth@google.com<mailto:garth@google.com>>
Date: Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 4:21 PM
To: Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com<mailto:dauwhe@gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: definition of Web Publication
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Resent-Date: Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 4:21 PM

Yep, SGTM too.

Best,
   Garth

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com<mailto:dauwhe@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com<mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sorry, link is: https://w3c.github.io/wpub/#terminology<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fwpub%2F%23terminology&data=02%7C01%7C%7C20be4d05253341e5f36108d4d52d06fc%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636367836747664301&sdata=Z0duCR995ZNUJB6kEc3c72YjXFhL65LXr6x9CqgdL7c%3D&reserved=0>


I'm OK with that definition.

Dave




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