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Re: definition of Web Publication

From: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:48:24 +0200
To: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>, 'Leonard Rosenthol' <lrosenth@adobe.com>, 'Garth Conboy' <garth@google.com>, 'Dave Cramer' <dauwhe@gmail.com>
CC: 'W3C Publishing Working Group' <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <D5A0F115.C02D4%laudrain@hachette-livre.fr>
Ok,
Luc


De : Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com<mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>>
Date : vendredi 28 juillet 2017 à 13:40
À : 'Leonard Rosenthol' <lrosenth@adobe.com<mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>, AUDRAIN LUC AUDRAIN LUC <laudrain@hachette-livre.fr<mailto:laudrain@hachette-livre.fr>>, 'Garth Conboy' <garth@google.com<mailto:garth@google.com>>, Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com<mailto:dauwhe@gmail.com>>
Cc : 'W3C Publishing Working Group' <public-publ-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
Objet : RE: definition of Web Publication

It's also moving into what a user agent can do with the publication rather than specific characteristics of the publication itself. That's why I don't feel strongly it needs to be stated in the definition.

That said, it's important to understand the benefit of being able to take the whole publication offline, but that's described in the introductory material.

Matt

From: Leonard Rosenthol [mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com]
Sent: July 28, 2017 6:50 AM
To: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr<mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>>; Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com<mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>>; 'Garth Conboy' <garth@google.com<mailto:garth@google.com>>; 'Dave Cramer' <dauwhe@gmail.com<mailto:dauwhe@gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: definition of Web Publication

A website can be taken offline today – either via “open” solutions like ServiceWorkers or UA-specific solutions (eg. MHTML).  So I would say that we don’t need to say anything special about it.

Leonard

From: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr<mailto:LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>>
Date: Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:09 AM
To: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com<mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>>, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com<mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>, Garth Conboy <garth@google.com<mailto:garth@google.com>>, 'Dave Cramer' <dauwhe@gmail.com<mailto:dauwhe@gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: definition of Web Publication

Ok, this is much more simple.

Notion of creator/author could be found in the « logical work » and the idea of « boundaries »  in « primary/secondary » resources.

But, the loss of « offline » in that tiny definition is a question for me.
It may be optional for WP but IMO, the possibility to make it available offline is a must and that's a difference from a website.

Could we add something like:
The Web Publication is uniquely identifiable and presentable using Open Web Platform technologies and can be made available for offline reading.

Luc


De : Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com<mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>>
Date : jeudi 27 juillet 2017 à 23:44
À : 'Leonard Rosenthol' <lrosenth@adobe.com<mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>, 'Garth Conboy' <garth@google.com<mailto:garth@google.com>>, Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com<mailto:dauwhe@gmail.com>>
Cc : 'W3C Publishing Working Group' <public-publ-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
Objet : RE: definition of Web Publication
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Renvoyer - Date : jeudi 27 juillet 2017 à 23:45

> we shouldn’t need ot define UA, as that is already defined in HTML

Yes, I wasn't sure about that. I brought it over from the DPIG note and adapted the referenced WAI entry as it seemed important in that document, but I think we can take for granted that the thing processing a WP is its user agent.

I'll take it out and we can always revisit later if there's a pressing need.

Matt

From: Leonard Rosenthol [mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com]
Sent: July 27, 2017 5:02 PM
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Subject: Re: definition of Web Publication

Thanks Matt – much better.  +1 from me on the new definition.

One minor note – we shouldn’t need ot define UA, as that is already defined in HTML (etc.).  Maybe just reference that one…

From: Garth Conboy <garth@google.com<mailto:garth@google.com>>
Date: Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 4:21 PM
To: Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com<mailto:dauwhe@gmail.com>>
Cc: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com<mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>>, W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: definition of Web Publication
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Resent-Date: Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 4:21 PM

Yep, SGTM too.

Best,
   Garth

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com<mailto:dauwhe@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com<mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sorry, link is: https://w3c.github.io/wpub/#terminology<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fwpub%2F%23terminology&data=02%7C01%7C%7C20be4d05253341e5f36108d4d52d06fc%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636367836747664301&sdata=Z0duCR995ZNUJB6kEc3c72YjXFhL65LXr6x9CqgdL7c%3D&reserved=0>


I'm OK with that definition.

Dave
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